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Posted:  14 Mar 2010 06:09   Last Edited By: DIYer	[?]
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Anyone ever use one of these? In the heat of the south west perhaps? I'm wondering if they would be wicked hot,.. and worth the money in general http://www.safermoto.com/products/index.html

Posted:  14 Mar 2010 06:31	[?]
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some videos of it in action: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGmO6itD8S0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X83XDQVUbmg

Posted:  14 Mar 2010 07:58	[?]
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what happens at high speed real life accidents   could rip hole in the bags quickly or puncture them  or could pop from  very high impact ..does it have all the regular armor like other motorcycle jackets  like along the spine and elsewhere, seen one at the shoulders ...but looks okay for slower impacts and slow wrecks . how do you deflate it and change the air cylinder or do have to replace the jacket all together. that would suck if you just fell over and it went off. that would be first impression of and questions about it, i would do alot of research on them before spending any money on one, like actually seeing how they hold up at high real crashes , like to see a video of that how it reacts and what does it look like after the crash and what does the rider look like after the crashes  what does a anyone say that has used one and crashed in it.

Posted:  14 Mar 2010 08:51   Last Edited By: browland	[?]
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If your going for an airbag jacket go for the dainese d-air system or the spidi jacket.. the dainese has actually been in a crash and worked. I'm not sure if the d-air is available yet but it is the more sophisticated has a brain box instead of tether cord so it deploys as soon as the computer recognizes crash conditions... so even if bike hits ground with you still holding on you have bags instead or the tether which if you don't go far enough away from bike will not deploy of possibly deploys after impact... and both of those still have ce armor

Posted:  14 Mar 2010 18:01	[?]
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I'm sure these things work as intended and they will only get better and marginally less expensive, unlike cars where they are almost standard features now, not every rider will opt for this so price may never be truly affordable.

Posted:  14 Mar 2010 18:43   Last Edited By: DIYer	[?]
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if i was a spokesman of this product id take the time to answer all your Q's nativexb12r,.. but im not so ima tell you to do your home work and no you dont have to read but ummm watch the damn videos i linked! :-P lol they answer every Q u asked. good find browland,.. and good points. im scared to look at how much a jacket with a computer in it is though, lol so alfa,.. if every rider did opt for these price WOULD be more affordable? demand drives down price? hmmm... i think if less wanted these they'd have to lower there price to get rid of what they already had then maybe i would allow myself to afford one SINCE i need a bike jacket anyway, lol damn im so close to pulling the trigger one of these, ugh!

Posted:  14 Mar 2010 19:04	[?]
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If everyone wanted one then demand would go up and others would join the competition for that supply. Of course if the technology where so propitiatory that no one could make it? hmm... But we all know that there are more than one way to skin a cat and there would be a few different air delivery methods developed. Remember that manufacturing cost will go down over time when set up and R&D and all that are recouped.

Posted:  14 Mar 2010 19:11   Last Edited By: DIYer	[?]
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"manufacturing cost will go down over time when set up and R&D and all that are recouped"... Ya rich people often lower there prices after they get rich. i think i don't like the Dainese browland,.. after looking at videos it doesn't seem to protect the rib area with an airbag, just the shoulder and neck area. There website is slick as hell looking though,.. but when you're looking at each jacket i don't see talk of it having the airbag system or a computer. Maybe something is "lost in translation" lol

Posted:  14 Mar 2010 19:17   Last Edited By: Alfatango1	[?]
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It's just a fact that fixed cost are recouped and every unit made later will cost less to make. Sure salaries and utilities are variable cost but the other stuff is fixed. Simple basic economics that has nothing to do with sales price the but cost of making the product. When demand gets so hi for a product others see an opportunity to make money and enter the market and supply will go up. Here's a simple example one you can relate to. How much are LCD TV's today as opposed to five or ten years ago? More? No they are less. Why? Because of all the things I stated before. Air bags in cars. Are they more expensive today or less? No mystery here.

Posted:  14 Mar 2010 19:48   Last Edited By: DIYer	[?]
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dude i own a business, and a thriving one in this shit economy at that, so i think i know that what you say prices will come down once companies make there initial investment back is BS. I sure as shit didn't lower my prices once i got in the black, in fact i raised them because i made the product better, lol Airbags in cars is a retarded example since there mandatory equipment made so by the government, and LCDs don't have a single thing in common with a device that can be sold under the pretense 'you cant put a price on safety'. I think when the technology gets to the point like airbags or even seat belts in cars where you can really rely on it, and bike makers and governments start making it standard equipment, then prices will come down, but until then, if i owned the company making these i sure as shit wouldn't lower my price less no one was buying or a slew of other makers we're under selling me and i wasn't selling any because of it. but i really dont care to talk about the economy of this product or any, id prefer to talk about the technology of it and if there really gonna save your life. good point someone made earlier about if not going far enough from the bike it not going off and helping you.

Posted:  14 Mar 2010 20:35   Last Edited By: browland	[?]
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http://www.webbikeworld.com/r3/motorcycle-air ... DIYer this will tell you about the no tether system...  my girlfriend almost shit a brick when I bought a bike and wants me to basicly ride in buble wrap so I promised I would research and buy an air system as soon as it was affordable

Posted:  14 Mar 2010 22:01   Last Edited By: DIYer	[?]
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"The tests conducted in the D-Tec laboratories document shock absorption values decidedly superior to those offered by traditional composite protections that work in synergy with the D-air system to create a complete head-to-toe protection system" Meaning you have to use other types of protection with it. I would assume back and rib protection since those are the areas is doesn't cover. I'm not crash expert but i still think the full upper body airbag jacket systems are a riders better bet, and there cheaper too.

Posted:  14 Mar 2010 22:01	[?]
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not really (no disrespect but) 51 Lb mass at 15 mph is not a high speed crash ,  .didnt see any  that showed real high speed crash on youtube either maybe i missed one or two, post a link showing one . very interesting product but not really interrested in it for me,(no i didnt read the websites (didnt have time ) i was just giving my first thoughts and what i would ask and want to know about it if i was buying one or investing in it or selling the product.) but like to see how well it sells , how well, and how exactly they will market it.  what companies make these ,  they need more styles ,other than the  touring euro syles in the safemoto.com site. any in leather or other styles?  browland do you have video or article of that crash?   also wondering if any states or countries are or will be trying to require something like these airbag jacket in the near or distant future like some have requiring helmets or insurance of at a certain amount to cover medical costs. ???

Posted:  14 Mar 2010 22:11	[?]
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more already answered Q's dude, if you got time to write all that, let alone just write the actual Q you got time to look it up on the provided link. video of that crash,.. umm you know where, what, and who, if you read the article so i don't know, look it up? you got all the info to find it right in front of ya. as for a high high speed crash,.. who the hells volunteering for that? I guess we need test dummies, i nominate nativexb12r, lol bottom line i guess, its gonna help if you're hit where the airbag is,.. so gimmy the biggest roll of bubble wrap and me and your girlfriend will be safe in it, lol

Posted:  14 Mar 2010 22:18   Last Edited By: BuddhaBuell	[?]
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another manufacturer that offers leather and dif styles http://www.airbagjacket.com.sg/index.php?page ...

Posted:  14 Mar 2010 22:19	[?]
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here's a video of of a guy who survived a bike wreck with the one i like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoGDwBiTYdU

Posted:  14 Mar 2010 22:23   Last Edited By: DIYer	[?]
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wow buddhabuell,.. those prices are god damn near affordable. good find! i cant find anywhere on that site where they link to motoair.com though,.. makes me wonder if there jackets are the real deal,.. and what the hell is up with that Fuel Saver item there selling? hmmm.... anyone ever bought from this site and got a real deal MOTOAIR Airbag Jacket? If so i might buy. more videos to watch on the MOTOAIR Airbag Jacket here though: http://www.motoair.com/about_e1.html

Posted:  14 Mar 2010 22:29   Last Edited By: BuddhaBuell	[?]
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when I researched airbag jackets last year is was the Singapore company whos website I posted that peaked my interest in them, altho I have not purchased one yet, I will no doubt add one to my ATGATT arsenal sometime this year... The vid you posted of the guy who wrecked wearing his is actually wearing one from the site I posted!! The vid is in the testamonial section!

Posted:  14 Mar 2010 22:39	[?]
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http://www.wbaltv.com/news/14328936/detail.html here is a news report from a documented interstate crash. guy was wearing an airbag jacket... "McPhatter was ejected 100 feet, hitting the ground at an impact rate of 140 mph."

Posted:  14 Mar 2010 22:43	[?]
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ya so they took the video from youtube and slapped it in a testamonial section, big deal.. doesn't prove to me the guy in the vid bought his jacket FROM that specific site. I don't know there prices just seem awful low to me. but they do accept paypal so if i don't get it i guess i could bitch and get my money back,.. maybe there legit.

Posted:  14 Mar 2010 22:43   Last Edited By: BuddhaBuell	[?]
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same vid Brow DIY'er here is the site I was thinking of, it is an Impact Jacket brand he was wearing http://www.impactjackets.com/

Posted:  14 Mar 2010 22:44   Last Edited By: DIYer	[?]
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ya that's the same exact video i just posted a link to browland.. man that black jacket for $270 is just nice and simple like i like my clothing,..i mean if it really comes with a MOTOAIR Airbag in it, and i have to buy a jacket anyway,.. i don't know how i could NOT buy it, lol

Posted:  14 Mar 2010 22:45	[?]
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oh snap didn't get to follow the vid link cause Im at work

Posted:  14 Mar 2010 23:21	[?]
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cool videos links & Q's answered !  .yes i know that i can read those just thought i would post my questions so other buellers here could get some answers and maybe help them figure out about if the jacket is right for them and maybe they didnt think of those Q's  because thats been  me, on some other issues where i was reading a thread a seen someone elses Q's and said to myself ; why didnt i think of that Q's (or that way to fix that problem or diagnose it )and thought glad they posted that i might not thought to ask that or got different answers from what i found or different answers from the posters, or thought of it later , then possibly not think of it later or something because we can all get busy from time to time. as for the testing only if someone pays for a millon$ life insurance and give me some HD or ricer to crash, dont want ruin anyones buell, LOL.. . joking we can leave that to the test dummies or the dummies that super speed like idiots on the roads ..funny funny .

Posted:  14 Mar 2010 23:26	[?]
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What a cool idea . i may pick one up in the near future

Posted:  14 Mar 2010 23:27   Last Edited By: DIYer	[?]
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Speaking of Q's,.. i asked http://www.airbagjacket.com.sg/index.php?page ... a bunch of them about the jacket in that link,.. ill get back to everyone with there reply once i get one.

Posted:  15 Mar 2010 02:53	[?]
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DIYer, I'm not here to argue with you. But you don't have a clue as to what you are talking about. I don't care what you do or what you make, you are wrong. There will always be another manufacturer or other provider that can make the same "safe" product for less money and that will bring the price down. Grow up and get a clue, and when your little business that you think is so important gets competition lets see how long you keep your premium prices up there.

Posted:  15 Mar 2010 04:12   Last Edited By: DIYer	[?]
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Did you ever read before you replied? What you just said is exactly what i said, you have no idea what i was even talking about, re-read it and you'll see you just stuck your foot in your mouth moron, lol ...and FYI mr knows not of others before he talks about them, my business is hardly "little", and has encounter competition, but a superior product will always sell for more moron,.. nooooooo you don't seem to be here to argue at all, lol

Posted:  15 Mar 2010 04:20	[?]
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DIYer, why don't you just take it down a notch, eh? As an impartial observer, you've clearly been a bit aggressive in your responses to other members.  Relax.

Posted:  15 Mar 2010 04:50	[?]
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ya, you sound impartial, lol ..dude i don't care what you think. Back to the issue at hand, that site got back to me already, here's our correspondence. Questions i asked: 1) Do you have pictures of the "Mesh Lining" in the Airtex Basic?  ( I do not has any pictures of the mesh lining) 2)Does the Airtex Basic for S$270.00 come with a liner?  ( the airtex basic do has a liner fix inside the jacket.) 3) I'm wondering how it would be riding with it in the desert of Las Vegas during summer since that's where i live. Warmer then any other sleeveless jacket? ( the airtex basic has a removable sleeve – which look like a vest when taken out ) 4) What is a "Removable Rain Coat",.. it says it has that too. The Airtex no longer has a removable rain coat, only the extreme jackets do has it. It is a breathable water resistant liner that can be remove when is hot and sunny and put it back if it rain. ) 5) Any pictures of the CE approve shoulder and elbow armour? Visit my web site again www.airbagjacket.com.sg under the accessories title. 6) It says it comes with an "Airtex B Type Airbag",. .are there other types? We has A type airbag for Versatile Vest only. This model allow rider to wear this vest under or over their favorite jacket. 7) Are the Co2 cartridges specific or can one use any 38 gram Co2 cartridge bought locally from say a paint ball gun shop? ( The co2 cartridge is design for our motoair jackets which require very high pressure to inflated the airbag within 0.2 – 0.5 second

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