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| Posted: 15 Apr 2008 08:34 | [?] |
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F.A.S.T. Air Intake anyone?????? I have only heard it mentioned in one post, i think it was Lefox or something. I would appreciate any help in finding this and finding out more about it. I apologize if this has already been covered but I've combed the forums and can't find it anywhere. FIDO-SOL FIDO-SOL- F*ck It Drive On SOLdier |
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| Posted: 15 Apr 2008 13:50 | [?] |
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a fast air intake is basicly a heat-shield with a highflow k&n cup. this not only gives the engine more air, but most importantly cool air, which is what a buell needs. hope this helps 
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| Posted: 15 Apr 2008 13:56 | [?] |
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It does to an extent, thank you very much for your prompt reply, any idea where i can get one of these and about how much it would cost? Also I've seen Air Intake's with the cone filter that bolt to the side, just not for the lightning. Any experience with this?
I've already taken off the handguards, and removed the left side air scoop (seems useless on my Buell 07' model as the intake is in the front not the frame like previous models. Also removed the passenger foot pegs. removed the little metal perforated thing that leads to the airbox. Chain guards are going next, as well as the plastic piece around the header/exhaust meeting point. Any other things i could do to strip it down that you know of that is just bolt on/off? |
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| Posted: 15 Apr 2008 14:24 | [?] |
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Also I've seen Air Intake's with the cone filter that bolt to the side, just not for the lightning. Any experience with this? I think those look awesome, but you can't get them for XB's. Correct me if I'm wrong (LeFox or BPG) but those were just for that intake position on the evolution engines, not the new XB engine? But the FAST intake would be a good idea...more clean, cool air is always better! |
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| Posted: 15 Apr 2008 14:37 | [?] |
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| Still i wonder about a custom application, but for now, any idea where i can get that F.A.S.T.? | |
| Posted: 15 Apr 2008 14:50 | [?] |
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Quoting FIDOSOL
It does to an extent, thank you very much for your prompt reply, any idea where i can get one of these and about how much it would cost? Also I've seen Air Intake's with the cone filter that bolt to the side, just not for the lightning. Any experience with this? i got mine through hillbilly-motors, but they stopped their service. i have no clue where to get it now. the cone that bolts on the side are forcewinder's for tubers. xb's can't fit those due to the engine placement and frame. Quoting FIDOSOL
removed the left side air scoop (seems useless on my Buell 07' model as the intake is in the front not the frame like previous models. this part is also for engine cooling. and the upper grille in the airbox is just not enough to get cool air into the airbox. i would recommend that you mount that again, but the choice is ofcourse yours. |
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| Posted: 15 Apr 2008 17:00 | [?] |
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| I was actually counting on the effect created when an open door as a fan set next to it to counter the heat. The air blowing past the open door draws air out of the room same thing with the motor, just hoping it is enought to counter the heat, if not i'll check with the dealer about alternatives to putting the ugly plastic piece back on there. I'm trying to make my buell look nice, not really worried about performance at all because it already does what I originally bought it to do, tear the twisties a new one. | |
| Posted: 15 Apr 2008 17:22 | [?] |
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Quoting FIDOSOL
removed the left side air scoop (seems useless on my Buell 07' model as the intake is in the front not the frame like previous models. this part is also for engine cooling. and the upper grille in the airbox is just not enough to get cool air into the airbox. i would recommend that you mount that again, but the choice is ofcourse yours. On my xb it doesn't lead to the airbox like in previos models so all it does direct a small amount of air to the side of the engine, no access to the air box, so useless in my opinion. Air will get pushed against and across the motor without the plastic piece there. |
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| Posted: 16 Apr 2008 00:19 | [?] |
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FIDOSOL,
I agree with LeFox here, and removing the scoop might be bad news. The LH air scoop isn't for air intake on your model (it was on the previous models). Yes, all it does it direct air to the rear cylinder head, but that is the point! The rear cylinder usually runs hotter than the front cylinder because it does not see the cool open air that the front cylinder does. I don't think it is a good idea removing that scoop and taking the chance of your rear cylinder running much hotter than the front. As an engineer myself, I know that companies do not put un-needed equipment on products. If it was there when it came off the line, it is there for a reason. I would bet that if you took that scoop off, your underseat fan would be running all the time as well. |
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| Posted: 16 Apr 2008 02:47 | [?] |
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Dude, no offense, but Erik Buell and the engineers at BMC are better at heat transfer than you. They specifically designed that piece so the two cylinders would run close to the same temp. The fuel map that is in your ECM is designed on that assumption. The fan under your butt was chosen based on that assumption. You only have one narrowband oxygen sensor informing the ECM because of that assumption. You see where I'm going. Customizing your Buell is what it's all about - second to running well and not blowing up. |
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| Posted: 16 Apr 2008 09:16 | [?] |
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all the guys above me have said it best
buy a new airbox with a cowl induction type setup if u want more cool air to go to the airbox to me i love the way the LH air scoop looks would definitly look bewtter with it on both sides but thats where DEVILSTARS comes in right LeFox
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| Posted: 16 Apr 2008 10:49 | [?] |
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fidosol...if you don't like the airscoops because they are to big, i would suggest (as i'm not at all for the removal of it) the smaller ones:
you can find these @ trojan Quoting xbhooligan434
to me i love the way the LH air scoop looks would definitly look bewtter with it on both sides but thats where DEVILSTARS comes in right LeFox it's a possibility 
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| Posted: 16 Apr 2008 13:45 | [?] |
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| Actually, that looks pretty good, and even above customizing the looks of my Buell, i think my uncle said it best about his harley "It's about custom, not bust em'" so thank you guys. And thank you LeFox, i like the way that air scoop looks. Only question I had was if you know if that is the price for one or a LH and RH set. Also, anyone got any other ideas for cooling the bike? (Additional cooling, not to compensate for the removal of the scoop like I had stated earlier.) And thank ya'll for all of your help. I'm rather thickheaded so thanks for putting up with it. | |
| Posted: 16 Apr 2008 13:48 Last Edited By: FIDOSOL | [?] |
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Ooh, quick question, removal of belt guard a bad idea? Top and Bottom... If i re-opened the hole in the frame that originally led to the air box would that cause any issues besides more air? Was Just wondering, shouldn't cause any damage right?
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| Posted: 16 Apr 2008 16:07 | [?] |
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Quoting FIDOSOL
And thank you LeFox, i like the way that air scoop looks. Only question I had was if you know if that is the price for one or a LH and RH set. nope...but just contact trojan, they will answer you without any problems
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Also, anyone got any other ideas for cooling the bike? (Additional cooling, not to compensate for the removal of the scoop like I had stated earlier.) bigger oil cooler, but then you will also need a thermostat or the jagg switch. install a huge fan on the sides?
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| Posted: 16 Apr 2008 16:10 Last Edited By: LeFox | [?] |
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Quoting FIDOSOL
Ooh, quick question, removal of belt guard a bad idea? Top and Bottom... haven't experienced any problems yet
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| Posted: 17 Apr 2008 00:20 | [?] |
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| Nice, took mine off today, where did you get the left side air scoop and how much was it? Directly above the belt tensioner, what are the plastic pieces really doing? Anyone tried taking them off to see what it looks like? | |
| Posted: 17 Apr 2008 09:25 Last Edited By: xbhooligan434 | [?] |
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its ugly when u take that piece off different companies make better looking pieces that go in place of the ugly stock piece
here is a link to the front pulley covers 
http://www.americansportbike.com/shoponline/c ... that is the link to the webpage to order one |
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| Posted: 17 Apr 2008 11:20 | [?] |
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Directly above the belt tensioner, what are the plastic pieces really doing? Anyone tried taking them off to see what it looks like? well, best is to paint or install a aftermarket lightweight front spocket when changing the cover. otherwise you'll get a view of a rusty sprocket (see pic) 
some just cut out the center of the oem plastic, which also gives a nicer/cool look. Quoting FIDOSOL
Nice, took mine off today, where did you get the left side air scoop and how much was it? i do believe you mean the rh airscoop? friend of mine made it: rh airscoop@devilstars
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| Posted: 17 Apr 2008 12:12 | [?] |
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| sorry I'm used to looking at from the front lolz so that is how i referred to it, next time i'll remember. How much is it anyway? | |
| Posted: 17 Apr 2008 16:39 | [?] |
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169€ + shipping.
if you need more info, just mail me lefox@devilstars.be |
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| Posted: 23 Apr 2008 18:08 | [?] |
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| FIDOSOL-I WANT YOUR HANDGUARDS!!!!! Please let me know how much you want for them and how to pay you (PAYPAL?). CJT | |
| Posted: 24 Apr 2008 13:09 Last Edited By: sinpieces | [?] |
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You can find the F.A.S.T. kit (300 euro) and the crankcase breathers (120 euro) made for the F.A.S.T. kit at www.Fat-cat.Eu
If you got the old framed XB, you should try to add a tankcover dummy with airintakes. Not only does it look good, it also helps to force more air into the F.A.S.T. kit. When ordering, see to it that you get the cover sent with the mesh grille installed. Yeah, it's no problem to paint the sprocket, mine is gold (suit the rims) and use propper clear coat also. I did not even remove mine (sprocket) when it was painted. Just clean off the rust and use paper or plastic around all parts that you don't wish to paint and it'll work fine. Alu sprockets wears out faster than the heavier original. I doubt you even notice a difference, if you want a difference, buy the XB 9 primary gearing for your XB 12. Torque and acceleration will be better, top speeds will be lesser (10% or slightly more). |
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| Posted: 25 Apr 2008 19:28 | [?] |
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i have upgraded my photos. Here you see the F.A.S.T. kit, the crankcase breathers and the little air/fuel sensor. |
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| Posted: 25 Apr 2008 20:18 | [?] |
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| I know the F.A.S.T. is a kit made of different components, but what kind of air filter is that? That would be great for a DIY open airbox conversion... prevents having to make a top plate for the filter. | |
| Posted: 27 Apr 2008 16:52 | [?] |
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It's a K&N filter.. as far as i understand, it's special made for the F.A.S.T. kit (i was told so).
But on the other hand, i can't swear it is so. The big filter is tightened onto the aluminium (giant) velocity stack which is also a part of the F.A.S.T. kit. The dual small filters, are the crankcase breather filters. I think you just have to buy the complete kit if you want this filter. Only gripe is that you should perhaps buy the crankcase breather kit also. The crankcase hoses usually goes in under the typical, open airbox K&N filter. Looking at the cost for you in the US i think this is pretty expensive. I paid, all in all, for the F.A.S.T. + crankcase breather filters and the dual air intake dummy, 770 Euro, excluding shipping charges. |
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| Posted: 27 Apr 2008 16:58 | [?] |
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Quote: Air has gotten expensive! 770 Euro,
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| Posted: 27 Apr 2008 17:30 | [?] |
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| The dummy was 350€ painted.... but, if you wish to do the most to the bike. Buy the best airing kit + the dummy, change complete exhaust system and remapp the ecm or use Tfi or Remus powerizer (microprocessor driven / self adjusting). While doing that, try the primary gearing kit also. That is fun, fun, fun ... if you can afford the loss of 10% top speed!? | |
| Posted: 27 Apr 2008 17:34 | [?] |
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| Ok, excluded bigbore makeover and turbo or compressor.. cool as hell but too expensive.... | |
| Posted: 27 Apr 2008 18:26 | [?] |
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Oh, I completely understand spending that kind of money on giving more power to your bike, it's just not my cup of tea. My bike has more than enough power for me, I just like the way the high-flow intakes sound. But to each their own...I totally respect an ungodly fast bike, I just don't want one...it's bad for my health.
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