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Posted:  19 Aug 2008 21:59	[?]
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So the next thing I want to do is put a race ECM in my bike.  I have a couple concerns though... 1.  Is this the best route for more power?  I'm tech challenged so the data link would be a recipe for disaster. 2.  How might this negatively effect my bike?  Will the bike need to be adjusted/serviced more often.  I read somewhere that if its not done correctly the computer will try and change the mapping after. 3.  How much should I pay a local shop to install and calibrate?  They say they have experience with Buells.

Posted:  19 Aug 2008 22:15	[?]
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1. Dynoing is your best route for more power, and if you can't dyno, get your ECM remapped from Americansportbike.com it will cost about $320 to remap, and it will be closer to optimum performance than the race ECM. 2. The race ECM or Remap will definitely have a positive effect as far as engine life and performance. The computer will only fine tune it. Once you install it, have the dealership do a TPS reset and you're good to go. 3. I dunno Make sure you have a better air filter like the race filter or a K&N. They sold the "Race Kit" with the ECM, filter, and exhaust. So the ECM is tuned for having those three things on the bike.

Posted:  19 Aug 2008 22:35	[?]
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I have a Jardine slip on the bike now, I also Have a K&N filter ready to put on once I get this remapping done.  So what youre saying is I could forgo the Race ECM, and just have my local shop remap my current ECM on a dyno, and reset my TPS? Why do they sell a race ECM if the original can be changed/remapped?

Posted:  19 Aug 2008 23:32	[?]
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well the race ECM is plug and play, and some people like that, plus it's a hell of a lot cheaper. You're looking at $200 for the race ECM, and around $800 for a dyno tuning. But on the dyno, its going to be fine tuned and will make your engine last longer with a extra bonus of more power

Posted:  19 Aug 2008 23:52	[?]
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Interesting.  So the race ECM can be installed myself, and all I do is plug it in and go?  I don't need to do anything else?  I mean, I would like a little more pep from the bike...but $200 and $800 is a big difference.  I'm not cheap...but is there really a $600 difference in power between the two?

Posted:  20 Aug 2008 03:54	[?]
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I think the $600 difference isn't an investment for power, it's more of general engine health. The other option is what I would do. Get your ECM remapped by Americansportbike.com for $320. You have to buy a $200 directlink unlocking key, then $120 for the remapping itself. You take your ECM, send it to ASB, tell them what mods you have done, and they take a map from a bike that they have already dyno'd and put that in your ECM. Chances are they have already mapped and dyno'd a bike with your exact mods so its way better than the race ECM.

Posted:  20 Aug 2008 04:08	[?]
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$800 is crazy expensive. My local dyno guy has his in a trailer, will come to you and custom tune your ecm every 250 revs for only $300

Posted:  20 Aug 2008 04:52	[?]
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Well real dyno tuning requires having a bung on your header for an extra sensor. Normally a your Dyno shop will have  that header there to temporarily replace your header. Sometimes you have to provide your own. Either way, installation and removal time is also involved.

Posted:  20 Aug 2008 13:24	[?]
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I think the ASB option sounds good.  I'll look into that.  Say I get that done...anything else have to be done to the bike like a TPS reset?  Do I just plug the remapped ECM in and BAM!!....more power? What if I do other mods after?  I was looking at the steveturnbull.co.uk link and some of those mods sound like something I would like to do.  Snorkle removal, re-routing breathers.  If they're done after, does that screw things up?

Posted:  20 Aug 2008 14:04	[?]
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OK....the Buell Race ECM is designed to work with the Buell Race Pipe and filter setup.  Will it work with other setups...yes.  The cheapest way to go is this.  Do all your mods, filter, pipe, breather etc...then TPS reset.  The best way like said above is a custom remap of your stock ECM.  Do all your mods first, this would be the best way rather than adding things later.  Another option im looking into is the Remus Powerizer.  Its a piggy back unit designed for the Remus setup, but works with others too.  The nice thing about it is that its true plug and play ( TPS reset is still required )  It constantly adjusts your A/F ratio as you ride, and will make adjustments on its own if you decide later to change/add things.  Is this the best option?, no...its a good option for me.  A custom remap is still the best, but the powerizer will fit my needs the best.  *** there are other piggy back type units out there, but from what i've read the Remus is "self adjusting" where the others require you to make adjustments manually ***

Posted:  20 Aug 2008 14:36	[?]
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Not trying to jack the thread here, but Dozer, do you know of any online or brick and mortar retailers in the US that sell the Powerizer?  I've looked and can't find anyone.  I'm thinking that might be a good way to go...I can't get a custom remap, there are no '03 race ecm's left, and I hear nothing but bad remarks about the Techlusion.

Posted:  20 Aug 2008 14:57	[?]
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Quote: I hear nothing but bad remarks about the Techlusion. I dont think its bad, it just requires more tuning. Quote: retailers in the US that sell the Powerizer? Dunno, but you can get it from Trojan Horse in the UK.  I think its right around $300 USD with shipping and exchange rate, give or take depending on how worthless our money is

Posted:  20 Aug 2008 16:59	[?]
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Plus I still think they have a few race ecm's left.  Some of them are out there still.  Check ebay and everything else.  But the Powerizer is definitely available to be shipped from England.

Posted:  20 Aug 2008 17:02	[?]
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I hear you.  I'm just chomping at the bit to boost power now.  I was planning on doing the other mods this winter as little projects.  I think I'll mod sooner than later and then send the ECM out for remapping.  That sounds like the best way to go I think.  Stupid question...Do I then take it to a dealer to reset the TPS?  What does the TPS reset do exactly?

Posted:  20 Aug 2008 18:59	[?]
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Yes the only place that can do a TPS reset is the dealer unless you have ECMSpy then you can do it yourself but you need to know what the specs have to be to begin with I think. It isn't really a reset it is a recalibration of where the throttle position sensor needs to be.

Posted:  20 Aug 2008 19:29	[?]
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Cool.  Thanks for all the help...from everybody.

Posted:  20 Aug 2008 23:13	[?]
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Quote: I'll mod sooner than later and then send the ECM out for remapping. Gotta take the bike too....they use a dyno to remap/tune.

Posted:  21 Aug 2008 14:22	[?]
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Dozer no you don't need to bring the bike.  You just tell ASB what mods you have done to your bike and they remap for that directly because they have done so many bikes already they have maps for every pipe, filter, etc.

Posted:  21 Aug 2008 15:38	[?]
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One more question.  After I get the remapped ECM back and installed...do I then ride it to the dealer to get the TPS reset?  Can I ride it before its reset?  Will it run like crap before thats done?

Posted:  21 Aug 2008 18:23	[?]
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Quote: do I then ride it to the dealer to get the TPS reset? Yes Quote: Can I ride it before its reset Yes...to the dealer Quote: Will it run like crap before thats done? Probably

Posted:  21 Aug 2008 19:33	[?]
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Nice.  So its settled then.  I'll sell the buell and buy a honda.  Kidding.  Thanks for all the help.  I'll post up after its done and give my impressions of the change.  Hopefully I can get this done before the track day.

Posted:  22 Aug 2008 17:24	[?]
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So I called a HD dealership to see what the deal is with getting my TPS reset.  They say it will take an hour, and would cost me $90.  Does that sound right?  Sounds like a long time to me, but I dont really know whats involved.  This normal?

Posted:  22 Aug 2008 19:35	[?]
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Yeah that sounds pretty normal.  Most places just to get you in will charge 1hrs worth of work no matter what.  Sometimes it can be done in 2 seconds.  Other times it takes longer.

Posted:  22 Aug 2008 20:49	[?]
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frigin dealerships.  The shop I called was the closest, but not one I really trust.  The service guy didnt even know what a TPS reset was at first.  My trusted dealer is about 50 miles from my house.  You think thats too far to ride with the remapped ECM without getting a TPS reset.  -also, the ASB guys seemed to think that a TPS reset after the new ECM was put in wasnt really needed.  HE said it would only need to be reset if it was off in the first place.

Posted:  30 Aug 2008 03:38	[?]
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you should reset the TPS AND the AFV when you swap ECM's.  just to be on the safe side.  OR, you can ECMspy the bike and for starters, at least turn off the "White wire Function" to give you that little midrange boost. be aware of the difference between a TPS reset and a TPS adjustment.  2 different procedures.

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