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Posted:  11 Dec 2006 07:04 [?]  
In spite of the strong language in the owner's manual telling me not to buy this for street use, I'm going to do it because I'm a big boy and I do pretty much whatever the hell I want!!  So how much difference does this make?  We're talking about the kit that changes out the chip, muffler and air filter, right?  Is it a serious difference, or is it not worth the money?  Does anyone know the difference in HP and torque?

Thanks
Posted:  11 Dec 2006 08:48   Last Edited By: buellxb[?]  
The gains you see can range from 7-10% at the rear tire on 9's or 12's.  As far as putting one on, they are still very street-able and actually makes them more fun.  I drive my XB9R to work every day and I have had a race kit on it since the second day I owned it.  I love it.  The thing is now though, you can't really find them anymore.  I have to hunt all over the U.S. to find them at another dealer so I can sell them over the counter.  I know some aftermarket sites have the set ups too, so I would try there also.  Let me know if you want me to find you one....    lol
Posted:  11 Dec 2006 16:20 [?]  
BPG, try these guys for race kits and tons of other Buell goodies.
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Posted:  11 Dec 2006 17:27 [?]  
Well, a call to the local Harley/Buell dealer confirms that the kits are hard to find!  Luckily, they've got a muffler, a nearby dealer has a chip, and apparently the air filter can still be ordered from Buell.  Funny, the chip is still advertised on their web site but you supposedly can't get it.  So anyway, my bike's going in Wednesday to get the kit.  This bike, stock as it is, has enough power that when I accelerate full-throttle the front end comes off the ground when I hit about 4,000 rpm.  If it's a bit cold out, it comes off the ground high enough that I'm sure it'll flip over backward if I don't let off the throttle.  And yet I need more power.  Is this a great country, or what? 
Posted:  11 Dec 2006 17:51 [?]  
Gunfreak when you piece them together I think it is a little more expensive, but its gettin to the point where thats what has to be done to get them anymore.  The only things they still offer as normal is the ECM and the air filter.  They do not sell them as kits anymore.  The K&N filter is actually a few bucks cheaper than the Buell unit. 


Thanks buellxb, for the info on the site.  I will be able to refer them to that site now also because I was only able to find one other site that had them readily in stock.  Thats one thing that sucks as a dealer is I can't buy from aftermarket places like that and still have it practical.  If I did end up having to get one from them I would have to buy it at their retail and then sell it for more so our company can make some money also.  I don't like to sell people marked up shit, so I just refer them to places like that and then still offer to install them as if they had bought it here.  I think Buell guys get a hard enough time finding people with parts and to get them to work on them, I try to give them a break as often as I can....
Posted:  12 Dec 2006 01:25 [?]  
can you remap the stock box on buells I know the big v twins are allowing you to do that without having to buy a power commander or dfo ect ect
Posted:  12 Dec 2006 03:12 [?]  
I am not sure, but I will find out..... 
Posted:  12 Dec 2006 05:43 [?]  
As of yet there is no way to remap the stock ignition box. I don't know what is taking them so long to come up with a set up like the big twins have. I don't think there was as great of a demand as with the big twins, hence the reason we have so many problems finding parts for our Buells. With the introduction of FI on the Sportster line, I hope this will change it a bit!
Posted:  13 Dec 2006 00:40 [?]  
Yeah considering they are putting almost an identical fuel injection on the XR1200.  It has the air box cover like a Buell mimicing the fuel tank.  Still pretty sweet though.
Posted:  13 Dec 2006 01:59 [?]  
from what i see with my buddys who ride jap ..there downloading other maps off the net and down loading into there power commander..but dont get nearly the same bang as  getting a custom map with  a dyno tune  ..seen a few dyno tune runs on the net with buells gaining 15 t0 20 lbs of torque between 3000 to 4500 rpm..now thats big....hp improve a little but the largest gain was in the torque numbers...brought there torque in the high 70s  close to 78
Posted:  03 Jan 2007 20:27 [?]  
For anyone that has modified their XB with the official race kit or an aftermarket one, what is the noise like? I'm considering this modification, but I don't want the pipes to be too loud. A certain degree of decibel increase is fine, but there’s a point where it can become too loud for me. What are your opinions?
Posted:  03 Jan 2007 22:20 [?]  
Loud pipes save lives..... 
Posted:  04 Jan 2007 02:06 [?]  
gunfreak do you have the race kit installed..and if so does it feel much better then stock form
Posted:  04 Jan 2007 03:12 [?]  
It is a huge improvement over the stock form.  I would never own another Buell without one...
Posted:  04 Jan 2007 03:20 [?]  
I don't know about everyone else, but my Buell XB12Scg seems like enough to kill me with a flick of the wrist. I would love my pipes to be louder, but more power almost seems like overkill. Maybe I'm just a big Sally Puss.
Posted:  04 Jan 2007 04:13 [?]  
buellxb thats what i want to here..my next bike i want to keep stock tired of being the quickest or fastest...it cost money ..spent enough on upgrades over the years...just want to push the button and ride without always looking for more power..enjoy the bike for what is is
Posted:  04 Jan 2007 04:30 [?]  
I have four words for you guys....


Pull Up Your Skirts..... 


lol...jk
Posted:  04 Jan 2007 23:31 [?]  
look there you young wipper snapper..you wont like it much if my 700 pound Harley puts a hurting on your buell on the highway ...I may never get the power thing out of my system
Posted:  05 Jan 2007 00:02 [?]  
I hear that from all the big Harley guys that come in claiming to have a built engine.  I just smile as I lift the front tire right past them.
Posted:  05 Jan 2007 00:22 [?]  
Hi,

anyone owning a a Buell XB 12s (mine is sep 03), using the original race kit, having installed either a power commander or this piece.
FI-1045ST TFI Electronic Jetkit for EFI Buell with ST Technology (Plug and Play)
http://www.dobeckperformance.com/

If yes, what do differ them apart, what is the gain?

Please, spell it out i'm dying to learn or just hear!!!
Posted:  05 Jan 2007 01:05   Last Edited By: maybebuell[?]  
guess there not so big after all ..thats my favorite kind of riding high speed highway...been there and done that against the buells .1800 vtx,kz1000...and even the busa...busa after it downshifts twice catches up pretty quick   but fron 70 to 110 the highways all mine...busa probably doing 140 when i passes me im doing 110..i just stay in 5th gear the hole way
Posted:  05 Jan 2007 18:59 [?]  
As far as the injection system on the Sportster using a false tank like the Buell as an airbox, this is wrong. The injection system is identical to the one used on all current Big Twin bikes. Not the same parts, but the same set up. (TB attached to a manifold, and using an actual fuel tank) Hey BuellPartsGuy you work at a stealer, get out from behind the counter and take a look.
Posted:  05 Jan 2007 19:22   Last Edited By: BuellPartsGuy[?]  
Well guy, if you read what I was posting about, I was talking about the XR1200 that was released in Europe, not US production Sportys.  And yes I know they use the same style injection set up as the Big twins, sharing things like injectors.  So try again dude, maybe they'll have some answers on eBay...

lol jk
Posted:  08 Jan 2007 18:27 [?]  
Are you going to that Techfactory up there on Deer Valley, or do you just buy every motorcycle magazine you can? Do some research, and you will see that it is an actual fuel tank, and the intake system is below it! Don't just look at the pictures, read the articles! Nothing worse than a kid with an issue of Backstreet chopper in his hands! And stop watching American Chopper they are hacks!
Posted:  08 Jan 2007 19:36 [?]  
Coming from the guy that does all this backwoods tech shit to his Buell, wow.   That was just the wording on HDnet.com website, the dealer website, way before it was in any magazine.  Thats all they had listed on it and didnt even have a picture at the time.  Just a short article about it.  I've never seen an artcle in a magazine about it yet.  Probably because I dont read em.  Don't be jealous dude just because I work at a dealer and you applied and never got a call back. lol.  And quit trying to talk shit on here man.  Arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics, even if you win, You're still retarded.  Grow up man, youre the one acting like a kid when youre calling me one.  You sit there and make fun of the dealers, but yet thats where you have to go get them serviced.
Posted:  08 Jan 2007 21:16   Last Edited By: buellxb[?]  
For your information, I worked at Hacienda while I was wasting my time at MMI, and then after I graduated. I don't take my bike there, and I do my own work. What have you done? Drilled some holes in your cover and called it an update? Maybe I will come and let you change my oil so that you can afford to take your girl to McDonalds!
Posted:  08 Jan 2007 23:27 [?]  
from what drummer told use if im not mistaken with his muffler aftre a few days of riding in the 3 to 4000 rpm range the stock efi system adjusts to the pipe  his dyno chart shows a gain of 10 pounds of torque..if thats all true it must adjust somewhat...if true the pipe would save a lot of money...its the touque i would want in the street....
Posted:  09 Jan 2007 00:07 [?]  
Actually, I didn't drill holes.  I spent real money and bought on 06 XB airbox top.  I do shit right, not off eBay.  Now I see why you have the attitude of know it all, you went to MMI.  I put up with you jokers all day long.  I get a laugh every time one of you guys come in.  I do all my own work and do it right with factory parts, and I didn't need MMI to tell me how to do it.
Posted:  09 Jan 2007 00:57 [?]  
Chill out bro's. Although I love the conflict because it generates lots of content and discussion I wish we could all get along. I'm too much of a newbie to tell who's wrong or right, but I'm guessing that both of you are right to some degree. I seem to learn a lot when I get into cat fights on forums. I try to act tough at first, then I go back and check my facts and I always end up learning more than I did before the bitch fest. There's only one way to settle this... You both must go to my arcade site and play 'Spank the Monkey' Flash Arcade Games
The member with the highest score has to email me a screen shot by this Friday. I will post the winner on the forum. Good luck ladies!
Posted:  09 Jan 2007 01:10 [?]  
268 mph im real good with my wrists

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