my blast vs ninja 250

[bigblue09]

a buddy i work with rides an 09 ninja 250 bone stock. i have a 2001 blast with a jet kit, k&n cone filter, and a vance and hines pipe. how do you guys think a little race would turn out? nothing really serious just messing around.

[brightbuell]

I think you need to set this thing up and get someone to video tap it. Post the out come Vid here!:D

[03Firebolt9R]

I think that would be a neat race to watch. My bet is on the Blast. Let us know.

[Alfatango1]

Well you got 250 more cc's so my bet is on you, even before the Vance & Hines. That exhaust really opens that single. I do love how the little Ninja handles the twisties where I live. A guy I know has an 09 and he flogs it like a bmx bike. Fun to watch for sure. We don't have a Blast in our group for comparison but it would be nice to see a side to side.

[bigblue09]

yea i will see if we can get something planned and hopefully get a video!

[upthemaiden]

Well you got 250 more cc's so my bet is on you,

Depends what kinda racing we're talking about. My bike has 385cc more than 600cc sportbikes and they can still outrun me depending on the kind of race.

[IRULE]

Hands down Blast is the winner! Do you know why? Because I said so! That's why!:D

[Alfatango1]

My bike has 385cc more than 600cc sportbikes and they can still outrun me depending on the kind of race.
The Ninja doesn't have much of a top end, just around 95-105. They take a while to get there too. Whenever our friend rides with us on the freeway we have to send someone back to make sure he's still with us. If we don't leave him in the dust he can cruise around 80 no real issues.

[agfish18]

My bet is on the Blast aswell... I think the blast puts out around 34 horses 30 ft-lb and the ninja about 26.1 and 18 ft-lbs...The blast may be heavier, but that single cylinder puts out more torque that the 2 cyl ninja.

[afinley]

Dragtimes has a Blast running 13.7@95, and an old 250 doing 16.7@76. Even if the new 250s got twice as strong, even a 500r ran 13.4@97, so I think you've got him

[BikerTrash]

Actually, stock 1/4 mile times are:
2008+ Ninja 250R = 15.58 s @ 81.98 mph
Buell Blast = 15.75 s @ 85 mph

With the mods, I would bet you could take him. I also think rider skill could decide the winner. If you had a tach, or are really good at shifting at redline by ear, that would be another advantage. I had a 2001 Blast in 2001, and I would constantly ride it WOT through the gears, but I would always seem to hit the rev limiter right before I shifted.

[agfish18]

Actually, stock 1/4 mile times are:
2008+ Ninja 250R = 15.58 s @ 81.98 mph
Buell Blast = 15.75 s @ 85 mph

that looks odd as the ninja 250 did a faster run at a slower speed? looks as though the ninja rider was just better at shifting or takeoff...

[BadDad320]

I got $5.00 on the Blast.......

[bigblue09]

yea im not too good with the redline shifting. i have not hit the rev limiter yet cuz it sounds like its going to explode before that.

[Alfatango1]

Actually, stock 1/4 mile times are:
2008+ Ninja 250R = 15.58 s @ 81.98 mph
Buell Blast = 15.75 s @ 85 mph
What are these the times you've run with time slips?

[kyle_dewald]

I don't understand how the blast can come out faster with a slower time?...

[12rdan]

I don't understand how the blast can come out faster with a slower time?...

I think it's pretty common in drag racing. My guess would be because of gearing the quicker bike may get up to speed faster but stops or slows accelerating before passing the line.

Or in other words the buell was reelin him in (traveling faster) but couldn't catch him before the line.

[bigblue09]

you also have to take into consideration the reaction time

[afinley]

Most drag strips don't count your reaction time (unless you red light it)

[oxygen151]

Most drag strips don't count your reaction time (unless you red light it)

Huh?? That's part of your time, i've never been to a drag stip where RT was not included.

[bigblue09]

no but the person that left first could still win the race with a slower time. its called a holeshot win

[afinley]

No dragstrip I have been to includes the RT in the ET. they are both printed, but the RT is not included in the time. It is so you can give people a lead (or sit on the line spooling your turbo, if youre me)

[oxygen151]

There are tons of variables that can effect your time/mph. If you have a quick 60 ft. time but your bike/car has less top end you may beat your competitor still but come in at a slower speed. Whereas the complete opposite can be true as well.

EDIT: you guys just need to get it over with and drag the two bikes. My money is on the blast.

[oxygen151]

Afinley, you are right my bad. I misunderstood.

What ride of your is turboed?

[Alfatango1]

no but the person that left first could still win the race with a slower time. its called a holeshot win
Exactly how one gets a lower et but slower trap speed. Depending on the bike or car you could still lose obviously do to power etc.

[Hammel13]

Ill put my money on the blast

[ztied]

Take off is a big factor.A better rider on a slower bike can beat a non experianced rider on a fast bike

[ezblast]

This is simple - the older Ninja would win because the Blast top end was 96 and the Ninja's was 100, however a 2000 Blast VS an older Ninja was a tie for that reason - the 2000 having the slightly different gearing. A Blast vs. a new Ninja wins because the top end on the new Ninja is 92 to the Blasts 96. If twisties where involved - the Blast would win because the bike was built with much better balance. Erik Buell's Trio of Tech. The looks of the new Ninja are nice though, but it always makes me smile to hear it wind up to get to where the Blast already is.
EZ

[oxygen151]

I don't think these bikes will make it any where close to their top speeds by the end of the 1/4.

[ezblast]

Depends what you do to it, even a stock set up, tuned up with some carb and exhaust mods, really improves the Blasts basic abilities to such an extent that the quote "It seems like a new bike..." is often repeated.
EZ's Stock bike Mods:
1)Drill a 1 5/8" hole directly across from the first hole of the stock exhaust on the same side as the stock hole but all the way to the right of it.
2)Rejet 45/170 (some years will have 170 stock - some don't)
3)Shim needle to 0.05 - 2 #4 machined brass washers is close.
4)Do the air box Mod - mild or wild - still keeping the basic look though.
5)Drill air-screw plug out, and bottom screw then turn 2 2/3 turns out.
6)Do primary adjustment - preferably sound method - on the loose side.
7)Make a splitter or buy one - http://scaryfastracing.net/harley.html - see carb tkv.
8)Buy an Yost Tube and put it in your carb - Ebay has them cheap for a CV40 - 2000 era - discard the rest of kit.
Eight simple things to increase the delivery of power on a Buell Blast - making it even more of a Blast to ride!
EZ

Jetting for a V&H would be 45/175 - rest the same.
EZ

[bigblue09]

so i went for a ride with my buddy with the 250 and i can keep up with him. the thing is when my rpms get kinda high it starts vibirating pretty bad and it feels like its loosing power. im not close to full throttle and idk where the rev limiter is. when i get up past like 60 it viberates pretty bad too but i still have a little power. is this normal with the blast?

[ezblast]

Primary too tight!
EZ

[bigblue09]

that makes sense. that could have something to do with my neutral problem

[ezblast]

Primary is too tight - easy fix, the vibration - check your front isolator - another easy fix, just a bit more time consuming.
EZ

[bigblue09]

could the primary being too tight have anything to do with it being kinda hard to get in down into first??

[ezblast]

Usually that only happens when cold?
EZ

[bigblue09]

my problem with the loss of power seems like it gets worse the hotter it is outside. any other ideas?

[ezblast]

Have you loosened your primary - it is probably too tight.
EZ

[bigblue09]

i havnt done it yet. its on the to do list for today. i will post how it turns out

[ezblast]

Also replace the Intake Boot - seriously - it is probably way old and should be done just for general principle. Besides if you do that then you have ruled out 9/10ths of the other problems it can cause. If it still does this after doing those two things let me know. The final solution, after checking grounds, battery, vacuum line, and tank vent line and vent, as well as dis-abling the kickstand switch(Cut & twist wires together) and clutch safety switch(flip center diode)becomes obvious.
EZ

[bigblue09]

didnt get a chance to work on it yesterday because i spent all day riding it. is there a way to tell if it has a jet kit by taking the carb apart? im not totally sure it has one. it has a k&n cone filter and the po said it had some carb work but im not sure if its actually jetted.

[ezblast]

Riding is good! the jet size is etched onto the jets - so you would have to take them out to find out. Let me know if it keeps cutting out on you.
EZ

[BuellBlast123]

Anybody Know how much a D&D exhaust for a buell blast would cost

[bigblue09]

post a new thread on the blast fourm. you will get more hits

[bttrfngrz]

hey guys which would win in a fight a taco or a grilled cheese sandwich?

[Alfatango1]

Anybody Know how much a D&D exhaust for a buell blast would cost
Don't spend the bucks on a D&D for the blast. Just get a Jardine. They really wake up the bike and cost under $200

[BuellBlast123]

Thanks for the tip[up]

[kyle_dewald]

I had a vance and hines and jetted the carb. It added power and sounded mean. When I would crank mine up people would turn and look expecting to see a harley.