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whitezombiebueller
02-25-2008, 12:57 PM
I search this but i couldn't find anything.I no that when you get a pipe you have to 1.tune it or 2. buy the race ECM.Well i went on a ride the other day and we stopped at a HD dealer in Sarasota FL.There was a "SALLS MEN" there that told me there isn't anything they can tune in the stock ECM.Now the HD dealer where i live told me for 250 they will dyno and tune my bike.I think he said 3 hours of tuning and up 10 pulls.so i guess my question is can you tune the stock ECM and get good numbers down to the wheel or is the race ECM better.I would rather go with the tune though. Thank you....

LeFox
02-25-2008, 02:30 PM
ok...

1) don't believe salesmen! most don't know what they are talking about.
and from what i've ready here, especially most harley salesmen when talking about buell :p

2) both the stock or race ecm can be reprogrammed no problem.

3) the results you get when remapping/reprogramming your ecm are better than a race ecm.
why? cause it's made on your setup, whilst a race ecm is made for the buell official race kit (k&n airfilter & buell race exhaust)

4) 250 sounds like a decent price [up]

you have a setup in mind?


my bike last weekend:
http://www.buellxb.com/buell_images/627_20080219094130_L.jpg

whitezombiebueller
02-25-2008, 02:54 PM
Well right now i am just gettin a jardine exhaust.I thought about the k&n but i think i am goin to hold off on it right now.But thank you for your time. [up][up]

dans03firebolt
02-25-2008, 07:10 PM
Looks good Lefox. So how many ponies did it put to the wheel?? Do you have a 12 or a 9? Did they tune it for you or just dyno it? I have the race exhaust, ecm and K&N so I am leaving mine alone.

LeFox
02-25-2008, 08:55 PM
So how many ponies did it put to the wheel??
106.8hp@5324rpm - 89.51ft-lbs@5141rpm (uncorrected)

enough to make you :D

whitezombiebueller
02-25-2008, 09:11 PM
sweet numbers man i hope to get the same.

dans03firebolt
02-26-2008, 02:27 PM
Hell yeah man that would easily make me smile my ass off. Those are great numbers. My 9 with the Buell Race Kit I would think put somewhere around 80hp to the wheel but I won't know until bike week in Laconia in June. I will dyno the bike then. They have Dyno trailers and it costs like $30-$50 to dyno it.

whitezombiebueller
02-26-2008, 02:34 PM
I justed checked and the pipe will be here tomorrow and i will put it on that night and Thursday i hit the dyno maybe Friday.either way we will know by Saturday what the bike will make.Now one thing that makes me think that i might make more power then lefox is my bike is a 08 with a higher rev limit and different fuel and exhaust then the 07's and older.So we will see....

LeFox
02-26-2008, 07:09 PM
Now one thing that makes me think that i might make more power then lefox is my bike is a 08 with a higher rev limit and different fuel and exhaust then the 07's and older.So we will see....
you might have better numbers compared to mine for low-end power, but above 3000rpm i would doubt it :p

but we will see...and the important things is that you are happy with the result ;)

also, when they dyno your bike, make sure they do not use any correction!

whitezombiebueller
02-26-2008, 09:20 PM
ok will do.I wasn't trying to say mine is better then yours i think you made a real good number.I was just saying that i hope to make the same if not better.I will be more then happy to make what you did.:D

LeFox
02-27-2008, 09:01 AM
hehe...i know :D

but if you do better than me above 3000rpm with the jardine, something is wrong with my setup ;)

i sold the jardine & race ecm and bought micron and got it coated and mapped the ecm

http://www.buellxb.com/buell_images/627_20080212144838_L.jpg

part of my winter-mods :D

whitezombiebueller
02-27-2008, 12:36 PM
What the hell it that in the back round.That bike looks fast...By the way i wanted that exhaust but i don't have that kinda money right now.

dans03firebolt
02-27-2008, 01:43 PM
There is no doubt the Micron exhaust is badass but the price for it is really high but what do you expect for a full system. That front header pipe kind of looks creased at the 2nd curve but it is probably just the picture with the shadow.

LeFox
02-27-2008, 02:59 PM
What the hell it that in the back round
door to toilet, coffee machine, old fuelpump and oh...dragbike :D[up]


That front header pipe kind of looks creased at the 2nd curve but it is probably just the picture with the shadow.
no it is...1st bend too, but that's has it's reasons...takes getting used too, but looks great.
and for a full system, it's not that expensive.

whitezombiebueller
02-27-2008, 05:15 PM
NICE:D:D

dans03firebolt
02-27-2008, 05:39 PM
For a aftermarket header you would think those bends would be better than the factory bends. That looks like it won't flow as good as the factory header. Is it larger in diameter than the factory one? I have never seen one in person.

LeFox
02-27-2008, 06:00 PM
For a aftermarket header you would think those bends would be better than the factory bends. That looks like it won't flow as good as the factory header. Is it larger in diameter than the factory one?
like i said, it takes getting used too & has its purpose.
the headers are larger in diamter and flow better. look at is as kind of a venturi system ;)


NICE:D:D
also an xb9 dragbike
http://www.buellxb.com/buell_images/627_20070801030216_L.jpg

whitezombiebueller
02-27-2008, 06:49 PM
HOLD ON........:D

dans03firebolt
02-27-2008, 09:42 PM
Looks to me like someone isn't feathering the clutch enough. Hell put wheelie bars on that bike so you can really launch it. Also that thing is lowered a ton. How did you guys lower the back?? Or is that just the compression from the launch?

LeFox
02-27-2008, 09:48 PM
HOLD ON........:D
youtube of the newest topfuel bike...was 1st run on it :D
click (http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=nwF1_rWWEcQ)
http://www.buellxb.com/buell_images/627_20080227144508_L.jpg
http://www.buellxb.com/buell_images/627_20080227144702_L.jpg
http://www.buellxb.com/buell_images/627_20080227144717_L.jpg

LeFox
02-27-2008, 09:51 PM
Hell put wheelie bars on that bike so you can really launch it. Also that thing is lowered a ton. How did you guys lower the back??
wheeliebar is not allowed in that class.
and yes, it is lowered...more stable and less compression ;)

also, a bit of frontwheel lift is good...give you more pressure on the rear and thus greater power transfer ;)

xbhooligan434
02-27-2008, 10:10 PM
lefox i was wondering how much better is the micron than a D&D
looking at buying new exhaust for my 12r and i want the best for performance and sound

LeFox
02-27-2008, 10:51 PM
D&D will give you better low end...but above but micron will do better after that.
although i haven't tested the D&D personally, i just heard them at a meet.

jackson08
02-28-2008, 01:14 PM
HOLY SH#T that thing was fast.That looked like a
1\8th mile track.but still a good time 4.992

LeFox
02-28-2008, 04:06 PM
HOLY SH#T that thing was fast.That looked like a
1\8th mile track.but still a good time 4.992
- best qualitfy time
- 0.0015sec from the euro record

not bad for a first run :D

vtwingearhead
02-28-2008, 05:29 PM
go to american sportbike.com they have a xb exhaust shoot out. a lot of good info there. and yes there is software to tune your buell. direct link has a tuner for the fuel injected buells. works pretty good.

badbandit12
02-28-2008, 09:34 PM
LEFOX is that 106 hp with stock inturnales. and just bolt on parts and ecm remap??? if so how did you get that much out of your bike mine only hit 82hp @ the back wheel!!!!! start spilling the beans :D

LeFox
02-28-2008, 09:50 PM
LEFOX is that 106 hp with stock inturnales. and just bolt on parts and ecm remap??? if so how did you get that much out of your bike mine only hit 82hp @ the back wheel!!!!! start spilling the beans
- ceramic coated (in & out) complete micron system
- f.a.s.t. air intake with k&n race cup
- custom remapped ecm module
- and a little 'primairy' secret :D:p

so it's all bolt on parts...

what setup do you have???

maybebuell
02-28-2008, 11:45 PM
nice thread im glad i check in from time to time

badbandit12
02-29-2008, 12:45 AM
well I have the full jardine set up , not as nice as the micron, k&n filter, 5 degree timing advance to tunning yet. building new tripple stage pipe, almost done. it will be ceramic inside and out. when I get that done it will be tunned.also doing air box mods at this time too.

LeFox
02-29-2008, 10:54 AM
well I have the full jardine set up , not as nice as the micron, k&n filter, 5 degree timing advance to tunning yet.
is that an open airfilter, or just the k&n filter?
oem ecm, race ecm, or is it remapped?

think you're a couple of ponies short [smirk], you should atleast be above 95hp

dans03firebolt
02-29-2008, 03:24 PM
Absolutel unless you have a 9 like me than you should be about the 82hp range. If you are on a 12 you should be much higher than that. Good luck on getting your bike set up to your liking.

whitezombiebueller
02-29-2008, 06:49 PM
Yo Lefox i don't know if you saw my other post but now the HD dealer is tellin me that they can't tune a buell at all.So what do i do.I already installed they pipe and can't find a programmer for a 08 xb12r.Man do i hate dealership.lol the funny thing is i work at one...

LeFox
02-29-2008, 08:46 PM
Yo Lefox i don't know if you saw my other post but now the HD dealer is tellin me that they can't tune a buell at all.So what do i do.I already installed they pipe and can't find a programmer for a 08 xb12r.Man do i hate dealership.lol the funny thing is i work at one...
well, hard to say...i don't know how things are done at your side.
but over here, when they say they can do something, they can do it. [smirk] ok, some might do it better than others and can get that bit extra out of the bike, but all can atleast tune so it runs smooth.

maybe organize a trackday for twins with a rentable dyno and someone who can tune bikes like vtwingearhead [confused]
charge a sum so you can rent the track, tech, dyno, tire replacement and such...

otherwise i would look for a decent dealer in your neighbourhood that can do what he promises.

whitezombiebueller
03-01-2008, 01:58 PM
well thank you for your input.at least i can still ride it i just wont be racing it anytime soon...[sad]

LeFox
03-01-2008, 03:02 PM
don't ride with the jardine & stock ecm for too long, cause you'll be running lean.

maybe you could contact someone from asb? maybe they know where you can do it in your neighbourhood? [confused]

BenJamin444
03-01-2008, 04:48 PM
My bike ran rough right after I put on the Jardine exhaust but as soon as I got the race ecm it ran smooth.

badbandit12
03-04-2008, 02:46 AM
lefox I have not yet opened my air box up yet going to try and get that done this week. also started my new exhausti'm two bends short so have them orderd. I will post pics when I'm done then going to have it tuned!!I have scoped the Micron out and making one close to it. and it will be coated inside and out.

shortyxb12r
03-05-2008, 04:01 AM
I got an 04 12r that put 92.5 to the wheel with race kit and open air box from asb. Lefox what was the primary secret?

LeFox
03-05-2008, 10:10 AM
Lefox what was the primary secret?
now if i tell you, it wouldn't be a secret :p

damnit, all my trade-secrets out in the open [smirk]
got the primairy of an xb9:o

shortyxb12r
03-05-2008, 11:03 PM
What did that cost for the primary?

LeFox
03-06-2008, 09:57 AM
about 250 (http://en.freespirits.it/catalog/popimg.php?img=http://www.freespirits.it/catalog/uploads/45_207720.jpg&title=Buell XB12 torque kit) ;)

will reduce top speed, though.

dans03firebolt
03-06-2008, 01:35 PM
Yeah like these bikes are made for top speed anyway. No one really needs to go over 130mph on a bike anyway unless you are on a private closed track.

whitezombiebueller
03-06-2008, 01:49 PM
Well unless you want to go that fast in the 1\4 mile.But i guess that is a private track.I have good news.There is two shops fighting for my business.So now i guess the race is for them to get the tunner.They both told me that they would buy the tunner and i will only have to pay for the tunning and dyno time....

LeFox
03-06-2008, 02:34 PM
There is two shops fighting for my business.So now i guess the race is for them to get the tunner.They both told me that they would buy the tunner and i will only have to pay for the tunning and dyno time....
about time...good luck ;)

whitezombiebueller
03-07-2008, 02:19 PM
I can't wait this thing is a beast with just the pipe on.I was told by some of the upper class HD tunners that the bike isn't running lean enough to cause damage.Well after they told me that i went for a ride and.OMG the ass dyno is reading off the charts.O and with all my 150 pounds of ass i still can't keep the front end from coming up in second yes i did say second.It comes up about 2-3feet high each time i nail it. :D:D

badbandit12
03-08-2008, 06:50 PM
just got thru with the beather box and the vent by pass. it's little smoother at idel. but the real power comes on @ 2grand now I guess with the exhaust it really wanted more air opening the air box up made a world of dif. 1st and 2nd @ 2000 rpms it will float the tire with no problem going to have it tuned this coming week, if I can find a good place to do it!!!!!!!

LeFox
03-08-2008, 08:25 PM
i love spreading the joy :D:p