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1badtitan90
06-03-2011, 09:17 PM
Please help.... I have a 2007 Xb12s and am wanting just a bit more power out of it.. Im new to the whole bike thing. Race atvs... Also if there is anyone in the Council Bluffs, Iowa area that could help it would be great thanks..

unionthug
06-03-2011, 10:32 PM
The race ecm will do nothing for you without the need for it. If you want more power free up the horsepower lost in the stock exhaust, air cleaner / air box and then feed the mod with the appropriate fuel map with an ecm re-map or race ecm.

I gained 20 HP and shaved 25 pounds off my bike by going to a Jardine titanium pipe and a k&n filter and I feed the need with a race ecm.

1badtitan90
06-03-2011, 11:08 PM
i made a custom pipe and did the air box mod and also the breather mod... would i be better off doing the ecmspy and doing it myself or doing the race ecm

ich
06-04-2011, 03:54 AM
compare your engines ve to that of a race/stock engine. chose the ecm that matches better. adjust diffs using software of your choice.

JuniorXB
09-27-2011, 10:06 PM
Hello friends ... ecm model this race is good or not? you know? I'm from Brazil and here we have a lot to epças Buell. my bike is a cross xb9sx city light and still have no escape and no K & N filter and iridium spark plugs not yet. thanks for the help. hugs

ecm race (http://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/MLB-200261259-modulo-injecao-buell-xb9-citycross-ecm-n-power-commander-_JM)

GOduc
09-27-2011, 10:13 PM
this one (http://www.erikbuellracing.com/store/models/xb9/xb9-model-ddfi-2-preprogrammed-ecm.html)

GOduc
09-28-2011, 10:57 PM
I gained 20 HP and shaved 25 pounds off my bike by going to a Jardine titanium pipe and a k&n filter and I feed the need with a race ecm.

20hp?!?! Afraid not...........................

SchoolHouseCycles
09-29-2011, 04:43 AM
No pipe/air cleaner combo is going to add 20hp. The 25 lb. weight savings is wildly exaggerated too. I would think 3 to 5 hp gain and about 10lb weight loss. More hp and less lbs is always a good thing anyways!

McMurphy
09-29-2011, 11:48 AM
Can't the pre '08 stock ecms be flashed with the race maps pretty easily?

If the bike is stock, the race ecm won't do much. But if you change out your exhaust and airbox then it can't hurt. Also check the sponsor link for the Tuniversity on the right side. He can set you up with a premade map, or custom make you one f you'd prefer.

1badtitan90
10-04-2011, 08:43 PM
The race map helped me alot i have a custom pipe I made and open air box with k and n also came help tons. My bike was dumped at 129.44 wheel horse and 141.2 ftlb of tourqe. Lost some top end speed though only does 145 due to loss of backpressure with pipe. Big difference though

BuellyBagger
10-05-2011, 10:34 AM
wow 129??? holy shnikeys guess i should do my airbox mod and load the race map, i really didnt imagine that kinda gain. POST THE DYNO SLIP plz!!

vroom
10-05-2011, 11:10 AM
Since when is backpressure good for top end horsepower?

1badtitan90
10-05-2011, 05:55 PM
well the loss in back pressure is the only thing i can think of. Cuz once i did the pipe it lost some speed. 129 yes

theoctopus
10-05-2011, 06:05 PM
We're talking about a lightning or a firebolt, right? If so, a 20 hp gain is not possible from an exhaust and filter change. With a custom tune, FAST air intake, and an exhaust, I didn't even come close.

anrkizm95
10-05-2011, 06:09 PM
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a 20 hp gain is not possible from an exhaust and filter change. With a custom tune, FAST air intake, and an exhaust, I didn't even come close. not on this planet anyway

anrkizm95
10-05-2011, 06:11 PM
shaved 25 pounds off my bike by going to a Jardine titanium pipe so the jardine is weightless and lightens other parts too

GOduc
10-05-2011, 07:11 PM
Is he talking about an 1125 maybE? Or maybe by some Weird chance they modified his Internals with a big bore kit, race cams, etc.

I have a jardine, open airbox and mine feels like every other firebolt I've ever been on. No 25 horse difference

BuellyBagger
10-05-2011, 08:09 PM
ok this thread went to crap. i was actually interested in some REAL feed back on the subject since i need a new ecm and might not get it til winter so i was thinkin of doin the breather and air box mod so i prolly need different mapping/

theoctopus
10-05-2011, 09:23 PM
The REAL feedback is all over this board. The REAL feedback is that if you're doing an exhaust and an airbox mod, you should change fueling. The REAL feedback is that you can flash a race map, buy an EBR ECM, custom tune yourself, or book my services to do it for you. The REAL feedback is that a simple search will turn up all the other REAL feedback.

I don't mean to be a dick about it, but this isn't your thread, you don't get to judge how people respond to outlandish claims, and the answers to all of your questions so far are readily available in a number of different locations.

1badtitan90
10-07-2011, 06:21 AM
K guys yes 129 horse. It is a lightning. The engine mode are as followed. Race map, custom pipe similar to race pipe, open air box, and cams. I didnt mean to stat any arguements. But it is possible

1badtitan90
10-07-2011, 06:37 AM
BTW the cams are redshift 585s also minor head and jug work upon installing cams

theoctopus
10-07-2011, 08:34 AM
Here we go again.....

Keep it civil, boys.

BuellyBagger
10-07-2011, 11:00 AM
how much 4 cams???? do they have a website?

Stevenc150
10-07-2011, 01:52 PM
NRHS Redshift Buell Cam Kits (http://www.nrhsperformance.com/partscamshafts.shtml) - (about halfway down the page)

anrkizm95
10-07-2011, 03:38 PM
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1badtitan90
10-07-2011, 08:13 PM
The cams were $500. Well worth it. Completely changed how the bike runs. Sorry that i didnt clear up the mods from the beggining..
129 is correct though

oh9bolt
10-07-2011, 08:22 PM
Come on rrh...

GOduc
10-07-2011, 10:50 PM
i really dunno, cams and heads/head work are always beneficial additions to any internal combustion engine. i remember the cobra i had in high school, the easiest and most bang for the buck increase was cams and port and polish your heads (also finishing the setup correctly). maybe he saw a power increase, i would still have to see the dyno slip though, correction- I WOULD HAVE TO SEE YORU BIKE ON THE DYNO PRODUCING THE SLIP, anyone can call a piece of random paper their own............nothing personal though

BuellyBagger
10-08-2011, 04:54 AM
i read the cam website looks like a ton of work to put those cams in. I suppose if i was building a drag bike it would b worth the work, but dont u loose some rideability with that type of cam profile. They do have dyno #s on the site and the 116 horse sportster (like third or fourth dyno graph on the page)is impressive as hell.

anrkizm95
10-08-2011, 05:33 AM
129 is correct though not from cams and minor head work

theoctopus
10-08-2011, 07:34 AM
I'm with anrkizm95 on this one. For sure not 129. That's more like a forced induction number.

Alfatango1
10-08-2011, 08:47 AM
Lost some top end speed though only does 145 due to loss of backpressure with pipe.
What was your top end before, 160?

oh9bolt
10-08-2011, 08:51 AM
I hope this gets fun like last time. :D

1badtitan90
10-08-2011, 03:26 PM
Well when I last dynoed it it was 129. The cams are reliable so no problem there. And top speed before was 155 I think.

oh9bolt
10-08-2011, 03:31 PM
Seriously...ROB...

oh9bolt
10-08-2011, 03:32 PM
Do you have a chain drive or different pulleys.

anrkizm95
10-08-2011, 03:32 PM
I hope this gets fun like last time.
its shaping up for a repeat.b/s,b/s and more b/s.

BuellyBagger
10-08-2011, 08:02 PM
just did 159 on firebolt.... On Tourist Trohpy for PS2:D:D:D

Alfatango1
10-08-2011, 08:10 PM
And top speed before was 155 I think. With stock gears and drive? You are ****ing high! Just saying... It's not possible!

anrkizm95
10-08-2011, 08:30 PM
Race Ecm Vs Stock Ecm Vs ecmspy

stock = 110hp,155mph
ecmspy = 140hp,175mph
race = 180hp,205mph

thats what i have been told anyway
thats just with race fuel though
hope this helps

Alfatango1
10-08-2011, 08:37 PM
Race Ecm Vs Stock Ecm Vs ecmspy

stock = 110hp,155mph
ecmspy = 140hp,175mph
race = 180hp,205mph

thats what i have been told anyway
thats just with race fuel though
hope this helps
Well OK, with my race setup and such I did 204 and 179 HP, so I guess it's possible.

anrkizm95
10-08-2011, 08:42 PM
there a guy in cali that did the 1470cc stage 3 kit with turbo and juice that ran so fast they kicked him off the salt flats.

Alfatango1
10-08-2011, 09:01 PM
I heard he turned the salt into ice cream and paid for his whole trip that way.

oh9bolt
10-08-2011, 09:51 PM
:D [up] to all lols posted in this fail thread for the books.

ArmyMP09
10-09-2011, 05:47 PM
hey titan90, you must be smoking some good crack. No way you pulled those numbers. Put it in your harley cup holder and it blew away right? Dont lie to people who know a ton about these bikes. I could believe if you said 100whp, thats possible. but 129whp, Thats smoking crack bro.

zackb_89
11-07-2011, 07:11 PM
129 horspower is a crock. on a brake dyno which gives a true reading of what kind of power is actually put to the ground. An 07 xb12s with k&n, ported air box, freshly packed jardine rt one, and new plugs with 93 octane full. 79 rear wheel horsepower is all it makes. so whoever you are you need to put ur bike on a real dyno before you make insane claims of power

ct1200
11-08-2011, 07:25 AM
Huh... my '09 did 84hp and 68trq
Thats with EBR ECM, k&n a/c, stock pipe.

This was after watching ducs and triumphs, a few i4s and even sv650s, local club day at a buddies dyno shack.

WarBaby
11-21-2011, 05:57 AM
I would like to buy the incredible 129 HP bike for cash... :D

rrh481
11-21-2011, 09:05 AM
I'll be 100% honest that's not me lol. I even called nhrs an after the stage 3 kit and everything the guy told me roughly 114hp so there's no way you got 129 from that little of work.

rrh481
11-21-2011, 09:09 AM
Last dyno tune I did I hit I believe 91hp and 82 ft lbs there were two other buells that beat me one with 95hp and the other at 103hp.

vroom
11-21-2011, 10:10 AM
When rrh calls BS, the game is over.

rrh481
11-21-2011, 10:24 AM
^ lmao

wolfo68
11-21-2011, 10:37 AM
they're also in different parts of the country. I remapped bad's ecm and I bought a throttle body from rrh. I do like bad's bike though.

rrh481
11-21-2011, 10:46 AM
Thank you wolfo I figured no one would believe me.

wolfo68
11-21-2011, 11:03 AM
no prob, his is also an s and I believe yours is an r

1badtitan90
01-30-2012, 04:40 AM
Ok. For everyone that doubted my dynos you were correct. I was using a car dyno which reads higher for the smaller wheel.Ihave been using a bike dyno and a new guy who knows what he is talking about. I have been tuning and dynoing for the past couple months and this is what we have now. It ran 104.23 for horse and 116.4 for tourque. I appoligize for the bull **** I created but I posted what the dyno said. The mode are still the same. Only thing that changed was the drive sprcket to a +2. sorry once again everyone

1badtitan90
04-12-2012, 03:32 PM
Went back to stock drive. Bike didnt like it

oh9bolt
04-12-2012, 03:45 PM
Bike didnt like a chain drive?

1badtitan90
04-12-2012, 05:08 PM
No. Larger front pulley. Stil had belt drive

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