chain conversions

[netty2424]

Anyone else on the forum with chain conversion? I need to replace my sprockets and chain and curious what products you have on your bike.

I have vortex 520 on the rear, with an RK chain, and not sure what kind of front. I haven't taken it off yet to see who makes it.

Just curious to see what else is available to Buells. I'm not finding much. Options are extremely limited!!

[xoptimizedrsx]

fronts are normally always PBI 20 ,21 or 22 tooth

mike

[anrkizm95]

Front sprocket(21 teeth); V-twin # 19-0384 / $13.97

Rear sprocket (51 teeth); Vortex (Odessa Fl.) # 827-51 / $63.95 + 6.95 shipping

530 diamond chain; V-twin # 19-0326 / $37.49

Idler pulley; Gates # 38023 / $16.78 (AND its available in ANY autozone in USA!)

http://www.sprocketspecialists.com/

[turboraven]

I'm running a PBI 21t front and 46t rear both modified by Grandstand Designs. DID gold ZZZ chain. 520 pitch.

[xoptimizedrsx]

that gates part is not correct. this info has been floating for 5 years and it keeps coming back.. lol
get the idler and spacer from EBR. I get my idler sprockets from EBR and the spacer.

mount in your current arm and make the upper bolt slotted to allow adjustment. then get either 520 or 530 parts. PBI makes the 520 parts and is what I recommend IMO...PBI277X is the main part number then followed by tooth count get a 21 front.

front

http://shop.pbisprockets.com/product.sc?productId=2&categoryId=3Direct bolt on no mods needed.

rear

https://www.vortexracing.com/shop/sprocket/111/ This fits from 2003 to 2010 Buells disregard the year they are all the same on this part.

Idler
http://www.erikbuellracing.com/store/parts-accessories/chassis/race-idler-sprocket.html
Idler spacer
http://www.erikbuellracing.com/store/parts-accessories/chassis/race-idler-sprocket-spacer.html

then get any 520 chain you like.

This is a real kit that works and not a Jerry rigged mess...

Hope this solves all issues. I have been supplying these to people for years as per request for racing and its what we use on our race and street bikes...

[anrkizm95]

This is a real kit that works and not a Jerry rigged mess... this guy had 6k on this set up?

[xoptimizedrsx]

This guy is a Crew Chief on a Championship Buell running multiple classes. Plus I support a few other teams whom have championships now riding Buells. I can assure you that gates plastic part will not hold up...

lucky him on the gates part. But, I cant recommend the Gates part.Its made from:

Material: Thermoplastic
Outside Diameter (mm): 76

It is a great belt replacement pulley but not a chain sprocket.Intended use is Belt/sprocket not a chain sprocket.

http://www.finditparts.com/t/1288/manufacturer/gates-corporation/products/335106/gates-38023

[c818919]

A little off the subject but why is there an 1125r conversion kit? Is this the only way to use a chain? Can you not just change the idler wheel and rear sprocket?

[netty2424]

Xoptimizedrsx, anrkizm, and turboraven thanks for the quick responses. I didnt even think to look on EBR site for the idler.

Anrkizm, do yu know if this is a sealed chain? Talked with RK Excel today and they recommended a sealed chain.

Any thoughts or opinions on these chains? I don't want to buy some POS and it break loose while riding.

[netty2424]

https://www.vortexracing.com/shop/sprocket/111/ This fits from 2003 to 2010 Buells disregard the year they are all the same on this part.

Xoptimized, that link takes me to the vortex site, but not the specific item. Is it the 827?

And how big of a difference would it make adding or reducing a few teeth?

[c818919]

it would work the same as a pedal bike....the larger the cog up from the more power (but more energy it uses) the bike has...smaller in the back faster.

[strawberrys]

All,
Can some one explain the pro's and con's of belt or chain.
Straw.

[netty2424]

it would work the same as a pedal bike....the larger the cog up from the more power (but more energy it uses) the bike has...smaller in the back faster.


C818919, thanks for the info, but I understand that part. I guess what I was asking is the difference noticeable based on a few teeth up or down? Was just curious.

[c818919]

I would say...yea. they wouldnt make three different one for nothing.
smaller on the front for more torque and bigger for HP.

[netty2424]

^[up]

[anrkizm95]

This guy is a Crew Chief on a Championship Buell running multiple classes. Plus I support a few other teams whom have championships now riding Buells. I can assure you that gates plastic part will not hold up... lol plus its not legal on a pro track bike i think netty2424 is going for street use maybe a track day.

[user_deleted]

netty: whether it is a chain drive or belt drive, you divide the front tooth or pulley size into the rear tooth count or pulley size to determine the final drive ratio. just as in a car differentil where you divide the pinion gear tooth count into the ring gear tooth count to determine drive ratio. the lower the # the higher the ratio. the higher the ratio the lower the revs in any certain gear....generally speaking.

[user_deleted]

All,
Can some one explain the pro's and con's of belt or chain.
Straw.

belt drive is one of the many things that attracted me to buell XB's. smooth driveline, no maintenance, kind of sexy looking with idler pulley and all, no slop flying around rear wheel. excess slop on rear wheel is one of those things that would keep me "up at nite" as i have no life other than pondering such things.

[Big twin]

xoptimizedrsx, What is the correct tooth count to keep the ratio stock ? 21 front and how many in the back ?

[ANIMOSITY]

Big twin I believe the front should be 51.

and to add more info to this I emailed Vortex about there Black sprockets, and here is what I got...

Just to confirm, the 827 is a 530 pitch sprocket.

For the all blacl F5 Harcoat, part number: 827k-51

For the Cat5 Anodized, part number: 827ZK-51

[ANIMOSITY]

Just looked it up on there site and the Black 520 is a 827AZK-51. Its $70

[netty2424]

Yo Animosity, I think that 827 part number signifies the bike it fits, you just have to specify whst pitch you need, 520 or 530.

Just to confirm, the 827 is a 530 pitch sprocket.

And Im guessing you mean rear for 51?

Big twin I believe the front should be 51.

That black hard coat is sick! But i dont have much black on my nike at all. It wouldnt look right n my bike. I can't decide what color to choose. I wanted the gold to match the amber wheels, but can't find it anywhere. I may have a custom sprocket made.

[onelogue]

netty: whether it is a chain drive or belt drive, you divide the front tooth or pulley size into the rear tooth count or pulley size to determine the final drive ratio. just as in a car differentil where you divide the pinion gear tooth count into the ring gear tooth count to determine drive ratio. the lower the # the higher the ratio. the higher the ratio the lower the revs in any certain gear....generally speaking.
EXACTLY!! If you go bigger in the back and small in the front you gain torque.
Bigger in the front and small in the back will lose torque and your RPMs will be much higher on the highway.
I have a couple rear sprockets to switch around but this easier to do with an adjustable chain guide like mine.

p.s. stock ratio= 21 front, 51 rear. Currently im running a 48 teeth in the rear which puts me at 2,800 RPM @ 60 MPH

http://www.buellxb.com/buell_images/3100_20120205143650_L.jpg
http://www.buellxb.com/buell_images/3100_20110427182707_L.jpg

[ANIMOSITY]

Netty, yes I did mean 51 in the rear.


Also I just ordered the Black 520 sprocket.

[netty2424]

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EXACTLY!!Â* If you go bigger in the back and small in the front you gain torque.

I've got a big bore kit on my bike now so I've got plenty of torque as it is. When I get lazy, my front end picks up relatively easy and completely unintentional. That resulted in some butt puckering wobbles when the wheel set back down. I prefer two wheels on the ground. I think if I went up to a 51 from the 47 I have now, it would definitely increase those occurrences. That's why I was asking you about your steering damp in your unveil thread. I need one.

Is your front sprocket red?


Also I just ordered the Black 520 sprocket.

Nice! When will you have it on the bike? Post pics when you have it installed! I'm pumped to see it [up][up]

[onelogue]

Is your front sprocket red?
Nope its just the locking plate. Ill get more detailed pics soon.

netty2424, thats awesome that you have a big bore kit. Im hoping to get one once I finish my bike cosmetically... Definitely stick with the 47 tooth if you want avoid more unexpected wheelies haha

http://www.buellxb.com/buell_images/3100_20110427182707_L.jpg

[Big twin]

But those bikes have so much torque(thinking of the 12), does it really make a difference,I mean loosing, if you go from 51 to 48/47 in the rear ? Do you really lose performance ? For sure I would like to lower the RPMS at highways speeds ...

[Crescent1101]

So would switching to chain almost cost the same as buying a new belt? How hard is it to install all of this?

[netty2424]

So would switching to chain almost cost the same as buying a new belt? How hard is it to install all of this?


Crescent1101, I don't think so, but can't say for certain as I've had a chain conversion since purchasing the Buell with it installed. I am replacing my front and rear sprockets and chain and here's the cost breakdown for these parts.

Front sprocket 21T, PBI Sprockets, $42 to the door
Rear Sprocket 520/47T in gold (custom sprocket), PMP Sprockets $82 to the door
RK Chain 120L/520, JC Motors, $108 to the door

I didn't purchase an idler, mine is still in good shape. But if you don't have a chain conversion already, youre missing the chain idler, spacer, and tensioner.

I've seen belts go in the $220 plus range if I'm not mistaken so if you're just looking to save money, I wouldn't make the switch to chain from belt.

We all ride Buells for many different reasons, but one constant is that they are different. Well a chain conversion is also outside the norm on Buells. Having said that, I can't say sometimes I wished I had a belt over a chain, but I personally like the mechanical looks of the chain and sprocket combo.

As far as install, I don't think it's very complex or technical. Just need a few specific chain and axle tools.

[Crescent1101]

I love the chain look, I was just looking for an excuse for a mod since I need a new belt. They seem pretty close in price.

[onelogue]

I must add, the chain is loud too! Just rolling it around the garage.... click click click. I miss the quiet factor of the belt :(

[netty2424]

Geeaaayyyaaa! Got my new rear sprocket in the mail today. Damn near a perfect match to the amber wheels.
http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb435/netty2424/3733a016.jpg

[onelogue]

Wow that I sexy! Where did you get that from?

[EricZ]

Wow, I just messaged them asking about a 530 sprocket for mine. I have another Vortex on the way but I think I will order a PMP as soon as they say they can make it! Cool!!

[netty2424]

PMP Sprockets. They are in Wylie, TX, not to far from me.

They have a couple different options for Buells. She showed me a new one she's been working on which was bad ass, but I felt like this was similar to the wheel pattern so I went with it.

They make them same day, on order. Ships the following day, next day air for $9.95. I ordered it Tuesday, showed up today.

$66.95 sprocket
$5.52 tax
$9.95 over night shipping

$82.42 total to the door


Kim Parks is who I dealt with. She knows her sprockets, great to work with, excellent customer service. For those few Buellers who have a conversion, give them a call when you need a new sprocket.

972.429.3774

PMP Sprockets (http://pmpsprockets.com/)

[netty2424]

Here is the one she just designed. Wasn't on their site for sale yet, but she's ready to move them.
http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb435/netty2424/9c376d7a.jpg

[onelogue]

Wow those are sexy! Thanks Netty! Not sure which one I want to go with. Might go withy the amber one. Mine is a 520 chain.

[Crescent1101]

I really want to do this conversion now! What tools are needed for the installed? Can do a basic write up or point me in the right direction?

[oh9bolt]

[up] looks good netty!

[Big twin]

Now all we need, is pictures installed on the bike ... or it did'nt happen ... :p

[netty2424]

I really want to do this conversion now! What tools are needed for the installed? Can do a basic write up or point me in the right direction?

I'll try to do a write up on it. I'm not sure when I'll have time to do it, so may have to wait a couple weeks. And just to be clear, I already have the conversion. I'm just replacing worn parts, front & rear sprockets, and new chain. But t should be the same process.

looks good netty!

Thanks Bolt. I was extremely happy with the color and the sprocket design. The chain is a different gold so we'll see how it all looks together. I wish I had more black on my bike, I'd throw a black chain on that gold sprocket! Or a black sprocket with a gold chain! Whatch out!!!!!

Now all we need, is pictures installed on the bike ... or it did'nt happen ...

Ha! So I hear! I'll definitely be putting pics up here when it's on. Waiting on a couple more tools coming in the mail.

[onelogue]

Yeah throw the amber one on so i can see what it looks like with the amber wheels.

[netty2424]

Yeah throw the amber one on so i can see what it looks like with the amber wheels.


Will do! Probably be next weekend. I'll be out of pocket this weekend.

[netty2424]

front

http://shop.pbisprockets.com/product.sc?produ ... Direct bolt on no mods needed

So I sat down today to start the process of swapping out the sprockets and after pulling the new front sprocket out of the package and taking a look at it, I quickly realized that it wasn't right. The bolt pattern didn't match up! Currently I have two bolts at 12 & 6, this was a 3 bolt pattern.

frustrating!

So this link above may work for some, but didn't for me. I'll have to call PBI tomorrow to see if they sent the wrong one, or if I ordered the wrong one. My mistake for not doing that in the first place.

[onelogue]

wow that sucks. The sprockets above are 6 bolt pattern though [confused]

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[netty2424]

wow that sucks. The sprockets above are 6 bolt pattern though


Correct. But the front is what I was looking at. Rear sprockets above are correct with a 6 bolt pattern.

Onelogue, where did you get your front? Custom?

[onelogue]

Onelogue, where did you get your front? Custom?
I have the chain kit from Grandstanddesigns.com.
They made it. They can probably make you a 21 tooth front sprocket. Post pics of the amber sprocket :)

[netty2424]

I have the chain kit from Grandstanddesigns.com.
That's right, I forgot.


Post pics of the amber sprocket

I haven't put it on yet. After seeing the front, I didn't mess with the rear. I'll probably do it all this weekend after I talk to PBI tomorrow.

curious, is the lock nut reverse thread?

[netty2424]

I couldn't wait for the weekend! It was keeping me up at night, I could hear the damn thing calling my name at night!! :D

http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb435/netty2424/5c32cdfd.jpg

http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb435/netty2424/ad2d155f.jpg

[onelogue]

netty2424 thank you for the picture! [up] WOOWWWWWW I totally want one!!
I already know how I'll modify it haha.

[netty2424]

Thanks One! It needs some depth to it, like some lines of some kind! I'm definitely not done with it!

[EricZ]

Netty, The PBI front sprockets only allow you to use one locking bolt. You don't use the nut locking ring. Just thread in a bolt and the nut can't come undone.

[netty2424]

Netty, The PBI front sprockets only allow you to use one locking bolt. You don't use the nut locking ring. Just thread in a bolt and the nut can't come undone.


EricZ, thanks for the help! I called PBI yesterday and they confirmed that as well so I have the correct part after all. looking forward to changing it out and getting it back on the road.

Thanks! [up]

[Big twin]

Netty, you already have the chain conversion. How is your tensionner working. I think you have to "slot" the upper stud of the tensionner. Is that correct? You have a picture of that ? I might do the conversion later this year ...

[netty2424]

Big twin, I do have a chain conversion now. I'm not sure I know what you're asking? Here are a couple pics.

http://www.buellxb.com/buell_images/8956_20110428105508_L.jpg

http://www.buellxb.com/buell_images/8956_20110428105333_L.jpg

http://www.buellxb.com/buell_images/8956_20110428105249_L.jpg

[netty2424]

Can't get the front sprocket nut to break loose! I'm afraid I'm going to break something internally I'm torquing on it so damn hard! [mad][mad] even put a torch on it but no luck.

[onelogue]

Nice tensioner! Netty you took the locking plate off first right? lol Spray WD-40 on it. Let it soak.

[netty2424]

Nice tensioner thanks. those pics were old when I first bought the bike. It was dirty under there!


Netty you took the locking plate off first right? lolÂ* Spray WD-40 on it. Let it soak.

Yep! Put a torch to it as well. I was doing it by myself so I was having to focus on several things, keeping the bike upright, holding both breaks, trying not to slip off and scratch or dent anything, but dammit I was damn near jumping on the effer!

I'll hit with some wd40 overnight and go from there.

Started painting my front sprocket tonight!

[Big twin]

Oh ok, your tensionner has been changed ... nice one too! I think there is a "modification" that can be done on a stock one to do the job ...Thanks for the pictures !

[netty2424]

Oh ok, your tensionner has been changed ... nice one too! I think there is a "modification" that can be done on a stock one to do the job ...Thanks for the pictures !


Thanks Big Twin. I'm happy to help any way I can!

[CoastieRider]

My belt is starting to show small weather cracks in it, and since i have it torn apart anyway i might as well do the chain conversion.. 05 xb9sx 22k miles

So here is my shopping list, please let me know what i do and don't need;
Black Vortex Rear 53 tooth Sprocket
http://www.buellxb.com/buell_images/1937_20120225024717_L.jpg

Front PBI 21 Tooth sprocket
http://www.buellxb.com/buell_images/1937_20120225024742_L.jpg

EBR Idler
http://www.erikbuellracing.com/store/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/g/0/g0600.07ah.jpg

EBR Idler Spacer
http://www.erikbuellracing.com/store/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/g/0/g0606.07ah.jpg

Thunderbike Pulley cover (Actually i think it's an RRC pulley cover sold by thunderbike)
http://www.chopperresource.co.uk/my_uploads/products/thunderbikebuellrearsets.jpg

FreeSpirits Idler
http://www.chopperresource.co.uk/my_uploads/products/freespiritsbelttensionerbuell.jpg

Chains? I'm not sure which chains are the best style or how long they need to be.. all i know is that i want it to be gold. Any suggestions?

[onelogue]

Free spirits idler pointless with chain.

[CoastieRider]

But it looks so pretty. Good though, that's. $200 less I'm going to spend..

[EricZ]

You will need some sort of different idler arm. You can either modify the stock arm to pivot or you can buy a chain-specific arm from a company like Grandstand designs or Freespirits(different from the spring-loaded arm).

You will also need the chain specific front sprocket nut from EBR. It allows you to use the nut retaining bolt to ensure the nut does not come off. EBR Nut (http://www.erikbuellracing.com/store/parts-accessories/powertrain/xb-front-sprocket-nut.html)

EBR also sells a chain guard that fits on the later style swingarms only. Another good safety.

You also don't need the aftermarket pulley cover. The stock plastic cover will work fine.

[CoastieRider]

I know i don't need the RRC pulley cover, but i wanted to get it anyway.. I thought i added the EBR Sprocket nut on here but i guess i forgot.. Where is the best place to get the freesprits or GSD pulley and which is cheaper?

[netty2424]

I'm

[netty2424]

This may be a little lengthy so stay with me on this as I've got a small issue with the PBI front sprocket, and I'm not sure if it's actually wrong or im just not understanding it. The new sprocket is about an 1/8" thinner than the old sprocket I'm replacing. But the difference is the front of the sprocket, meaning the side facing out away from the bike. From the back of the sprocket to the teeth is the same width as the old one, but the old sprocket extends out away from the bike another 1/8" past the teeth. This difference prevents the locking nut from setting flush with the new sprocket which leaves a gap between the sprocket and the nut. See pics.

Old sprocket:
http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb435/netty2424/1d4ac99c.jpg

New sprocket:
http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb435/netty2424/0c1e56f4.jpg

So reverting back to a previous post I made about the screw hole positions being different, I thought those screws screwed in to the shaft. This is my first sprocket replacement and I hadn't taken the old one off yet to see that those were just there to secure the nut. So I emailed PBI about that and he explained the sprocket is right and explained the purpose of those screws. Humble pie, but we gotta learn somehow!!

Now coming full circle to the sprocket being thinner, I'm going to copy his response in that email and see if his reply actually answers the problem about being too thin? Is he saying to use the 10x24 pitch screw to bring the sprocket out away from the bike to sit flush with the locking nut? Although that bridges the gap of the 1/8" in the front of the sprocket, it just moves the gap to the back of the sprocket?? Could that be right? It seems like it would make the front and rear sprockets out of alignment? And I don't see how having a gap like this would be ok?

Here's his email response:

Hi Richard,

The two threaded holes are used for the late model lock plate, Â*but the 277 part number will fit your main shaft spline but has the staggered three hole lock system. Â*You will need a 10x24 pitch allen screw. Â*After the lock nut is torqued down, install the allen screw into one of the three threaded holes the match a flat of the nut.
This lock system works great, but this sprocket fits the earlier models and the late models as well.

So when he's saying "After the lock nut is torqued down, install the allen screw into one of the three threaded holes the match a flat of the nut", in addition to locking the nut, is he saying use the allen screw to pull the sprocket out flush with the nut?

[kab]

Hmmmmm don't know much about the chain conversion but that don't sound right. I would think it would be just like your previous sprocket

[netty2424]

Hmmmmm don't know much about the chain conversion but that don't sound right. I would think it would be just like your previous sprocket


That's what I was thinking. I was hoping to get a response from him yesterday, but no luck and the bike is still out of commission and it was 70 degrees yesterday! [mad]

[kab]

I was looking at doing a chain conversion but I think I'll get the newer front and rear belt pulleys so I can run the updated belt. I just think the belt looks cool as hell.

[netty2424]

Big thanks to EricZ once again for his help! He listed the nut above that goes with this sprocket but I didn't realize it was different from what I had until he explained the differences on his Build site! (http://streetfighterperformance.com/xb12-turbo/drivetrain/final-drive)

That should solve the issue!!

+1

Richard

[EricZ]

Here are some pics I just took of the different sprocket nut configurations. The PBI sprockets are not as wide as the splines of the output shaft, so you either have to make a spacer to fit between the sprocket and the nut, or buy the EBR nut.

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h139/ezracing900/SAM_1280.jpg


If you space the PBI sprocket on the backside, the chain alignment will be off, but it is ALWAYS a good idea to verify chain/sprocket alignment.

Here is a spacer I made before I used the EBR nut. It prevents me from using a nut locking bolt, so I relied on red locktite for the time being. Now that I have a nut that does not require a spacer, I can use the safety bolt like I want.

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h139/ezracing900/SAM_1281.jpg

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h139/ezracing900/SAM_1283.jpg

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h139/ezracing900/SAM_1282.jpg

[kab]

Looks sexy :D

[CoastieRider]

EricZ what chain are you running?

[CoastieRider]

Here is how to determine your speed at RPM with different sprocket ratios.
stock ratio 21front 51rear sprocket center to center 22.5 inches (just a rough measurement)
about 108 links, does this sound correct?


RB Racing Gear Speed Calculator (http://rbracing-rsr.com/gearspeed.html)
RB Racing Chain Length Calculator (http://www.rbracing-rsr.com/chainlength.html)
http://www.buellxb.com/buell_images/1937_20120226112735_L.jpghttp://www.buellxb.com/buell_images/1937_20120226114150_L.jpg

[EricZ]

I use a DID 530 ZVM-X chain.

The chain length will ultimately be determined by the chain idler setup, sprocket sizes, chain size, suspension setup, and swingarm length.

[CoastieRider]

Yeah that calculator isn't really meant for this exact application.. The DID 520 zvm-x chain comes in at 120 links, do you have to make it shorter if you need to or does the idler puley take up the slack? im srry I dont know much about chain drives..

[netty2424]

I've got a 520 on mine, 47 rear, 21 up front, and I believe mine is 104 links.

[netty2424]

And thanks for the pics EricZ

[CoastieRider]

Regarding chain idlers, response from Grandstand Designs.

"We are producing a new idler that should go into production in the next few weeks. When that part is available, we would sell it individually. Pricing is not available yet."

[netty2424]

Finally got my sprocket nut from EBR. I'll putting the chain on tomorrow! Bike back in action and it was 80 degrees today!
http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb435/netty2424/4bf57bb6.jpg

[netty2424]

Anyone know what I need to torque the front nut to?

[CoastieRider]

F#@%ng Tight!!! Actually;


http://www.buellxb.com/buell_images/1937_20120301152323_L.jpg

[netty2424]

Eff! It's never simople, lol!

Is the mainshaft lock nut tool neccessary? Can't you use the old chain to secure the sprocket and main shaft while torquing the nut?

[netty2424]

Is the mainshaft lock nut tool neccessary? Can't you use the old chain to secure the sprocket and main shaft while torquing the nut?

Bump

[oh9bolt]

Just hold the mainshaft with your left hand and tighten the nut with your right. :p

[oh9bolt]

Edit mis read your post.

[netty2424]

Just hold the mainshaft with your left hand and tighten the nut with your right.


I tried that, now my fingers are stuck between sprocket and nut! And I dropped the wrench, and it bounced to far for me to reach it! :p

[onelogue]

I think I had someone hold the brake down and then I torqued it down witht the chain on. That or open the primary and jam a metal plate between the two primary pulleys ( like the manual says for loosening for tightening the main shaft nuts in the primary). Put the old chain on an start with holding the brake down. If you decide to do this by yoursel get it on video ..... Lol. Jk let me know how it goes.

[netty2424]

If you decide to do this by yoursel get it on video ..... Lol.Â* Â*Jk let me know how it goes.

Funny you say that, you should've seen me trying to remove it by myself :D

Thanks One, I figured it could be done without it.

[netty2424]

Got the bike put back together! I think next time I'll try a different color chain, but it'll work for now!

http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb435/netty2424/47415a9b.jpg

http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb435/netty2424/960070b2.jpg

http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb435/netty2424/0abda4e7.jpg

http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb435/netty2424/3e3765ad.jpg

I appreciate those who offered advice on this thread, and via pm! [up]

[netty2424]

Just noticed im minus my rear axle sliders! Better go find them! :D

[oh9bolt]

I dont know why but this is the first time I looked at your pipes, I never noticed they were custom.

I like your setup, you have good tasteful things done. [up][up]

[Nievesj]

I went the EBR route with my conversion http://www.buellxb.com/buell_images/10143_20120303033518_L.jpghttp://www.buellxb.com/buell_images/10143_20120303033457_L.jpghttp://www.buellxb.com/buell_images/10143_20120303033415_L.jpghttp://www.buellxb.com/buell_images/10143_20120303033346_L.jpghttp://www.buellxb.com/buell_images/10143_20120303032533_L.jpg

[oh9bolt]

Nice never seen that belly pan mounted

[Nievesj]

@oh9bolt
Its from catalyst racing.

[RuiP]

What's a chain conversion cost you these days? What are the pros and cons?

[netty2424]

I like your setup, you have good tasteful things done

Thanks! Actually the exhaust was done by previous owner. No one can seem to tell me what kind it is. I'm guessing it's either a one off custom, or I've heard from a couple guys it's a European exhaust set-up. I'd have to defer that to our friends across the pond?!? Not sure what that means.

But thank you anyway!

And I actually just purchased a stock exhaust and talking to a couple forum members on some stock headers. Thinking of going hawk. Just looking to do something different than what I have. Guess it gives me a reason to tinker with my bike. I've realized I fall into the category of guys who are never satisfied with it, always have to be changing things up!

[netty2424]

Nievesj I really like that belly pan. That looks really good! I still need to put my chin fairing on. I have to modify the bracket to fit my tensioner.

Damn good looking bike my friend! Love the blue and white! I just replaced my vortex sprocket with this one. I couldn't find a gold one so I went with another company!

[netty2424]

What's a chain conversion cost you these days?Â* What are the pros and cons?


Ruip, If you want to see the item list, browse the thread, I listed mine out with costs for each. It's not a cheap conversion. [up]

I don't know that there really are many pros to be real honest. There's more up keep with a chain having to oil it and then having to clean to spray from it.

I personally like the 'mechanical' look of it, for lack of a better term. I think you'll see guys who add some horses to the engine will end up with a chan. Or when they increase tire size.

[Nievesj]

@netty2424
Thanks. I really like the sprocket your running.

[RuiP]

yeah. always preferred the belt system. [up]

[onelogue]

Nettty2424, bike looks awesome! Wish you lived closer so I could come check it out! [up]


I went the EBR route with my conversion
Woah spendy! But damn does it look good with that swing arm! Cant stop looking at it haha [smirk]

http://www.buellxb.com/buell_images/3100_20110427182707_L.jpg

[netty2424]

Nettty2424, bike looks awesome! Wish you lived closer so I could come check it out!

Rooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaadddddddddd trip! Lol?nthanks Onelogue! [up]

[GOduc]

What are the pros and cons

pros-----can handle more power and torque without snapping a belt

you can do the entire setup, (roughly, give or take) roundabout for the price of one belt

cons-----slings oil everyhwere around the engine,

sprockets and chains wear down on a regular basis and need replacing

along the smae lines, belts typically last longer (hp and torque on a stock engine), the belt is plenty strong enough

my bike had 3800 miles when i picked it up, just rolled over 20,000 and still on the same belt, you will have changed many-a-chain-and-sprocket in that time period.

so in a nutshell, i only recommend it if youre going racing and dogging on it pretty hard, and/or need to quickly change gear ratios for top end or bottom end

street use with the stock hp and torque----i say stay with the belt

[netty2424]

street use with the stock hp and torque----i say stay with the belt

Unless you need the chain or just love the look, GoDuc is spot on. There are some additional maintanence items that go into it.

[onelogue]

Don't forget thats it's much louder, just rolling around the garage. Click click click

[Petey]

This Info. has helped me a lot thank you. Thinking of switching to chain was wondering if a 22 T sprocket would be better in front
( for swing arm clearance issues)
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=642293
On this site he was using a 20 T sproket
The pictures were enough to scare me though.

[Petey]

I hope people will report the performance differences in sprockets, There was some talk that chain will lead to premature bearing failure but I'm sure that's cause you have to keep the front sprocket from moving. Ride a lot of interstate 70 75 + on a lighting its a thrill, but just want to do it right and not blow the bearing and cut the axle.
Super Biker, need some theme music

the info has helped, Its hard to find belts dont think it will get any easier. Have to buy new and hope you get a good one.

[xtreme]

Man that guy needs to clean some of that excess oil off of the chain!

[Petey]

I tried to log into the adventure rider site and refer him to this site, they wont let me post. He's half way there just needs a few tweaks. Well I ordered my first chain kit going to give it a try. Did 21 front 51 rear to start with. Vortex sprocket got from IndySuperBikes Seemed like a good way to go. PBI front and the ebay Volar chain. Some Negative comments about the chain but I don't know how valid they are. Ordered a master link the clip type didn't want to go into getting chain tools until I needed to increase decrease chain length for other sprockets. If any one has any info on the chain it would be appreciated.

[Petey]

Oh almost forgot does anyone have a chain tension specification, or just follow the basic rule of thumb
1 to 1.5 inches, or the really old stand by if it looks right. I might be able to come up with a figure if some one knows full suspension travel. There was a formula for it online some-where.

[DrogeN Omen]

I’m looking to make the change from Belt to Chain, I want a kit that I can easily change from chain back to belt if I need too.

Any suggestions?

I like the Free Spirit kit but its bloody expensive at USD$906, but it does come with full set or rear sprockets.

I want an adjustable chain tensioner like the Free Spirit kit has


Free Spirits
XB Race chain conversion kit
698.00 € (USD$906, NZD$1091)
Net without TAX

http://www.solobuell.com/buell-xb9sx/transmission/xb-race-chain-conversion-kit
http://www.solobuell.com/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/b756771ff793e2e54e0b2f77603abb97.jpg

[dinonz]

Hi finished my conversion last thurs ,did 1200km over the last 3 days and it was great . Lots of road works and no belt to get chewed up.im running a 21 on the front and a 47 on the back. Its geared it up quite a bit but it didnt seem to struggle at all and i really gave it assholes to see if i could break it . The chain is a 530 and it didnt stretch at all.ill post some pics later in the week

[fitero7]

quick question on the idler sprocket, the ebr version is a hard plastic of some sort. how does this hold up over the miles. next, the bracket needs to be modified to allow adjustment, the question is do i modify the original bracket for the belt or do i modify the chain bracket you buy from ebr.?

[dinonz]

heres the pics of prototype no 1.and the bike is filthy so don't look at that and we haven't decided what pattern to put on the back sprocket if any , I quite like the look I call it my man sprocket lol file:///C:/Users/pablo/Desktop/SL373734.JPG

[dinonz]

didn't work bugga ill try again later

[XB9SX Rj]

Hello, I was reading through the forums and saw you seem to know what your talking about when it comes to buells and I was wondering if you could direct me in the right direction with my 2008 XB9SX Lightining which currently has a loose 530H Chain and a worn 51T rear sprocket and a 20T Drive sprocket. I am looking everywhere but I can't find parts for my bike. Only listed are older bikes 94-00 and the newer bikes 08-2012 are all for xb12's and xb9r's
Does the xb9r have the same hub/wheel size as my xb9sx for the sprocket or must I search specifically for my bike model?
Also with my swing arm not being adjustable which is why I am in this perdicament in the first place what can i do to change that other than buying a $1800 swing arm kit from ebr?
If you would rather speak to me to find out anything my cell is 843-504-6391
Names Robert
Thanks for your time in helping me if you have time.
These are the sites I've searched :
VortexRacing
rebel gears (The 51 tooth rear has this logo on it)
pbi sprockets
jc whitney
sprocket specialists

[EricZ]

I'll call you, Robert:)

[EricZ]

Some links for you, Robert, as we discussed:

EBR Idler Sprocket for 520 chain (http://www.erikbuellracing.com/store/parts-accessories/chain-drive/race-idler-sprocket.html)

EBR Idler sprocket spacer (http://www.erikbuellracing.com/store/parts-accessories/chain-drive/race-idler-sprocket-spacer.html)

EBR chain drive front sprocket nut (http://www.erikbuellracing.com/store/parts-accessories/chain-drive/xb-front-sprocket-nut.html)

EBR chain rub (http://www.erikbuellracing.com/store/parts-accessories/chain-drive/xb-xbrr-chain-rub.html)

PBI 277X 21 tooth front sprocket from Powersports Superstore (http://www.powersportsuperstore.com/PBI-520-Front-Sprocket-Conversion-21T-Material-p/4566724.htm?Click=35177)

PMP rear sprocket -- any size you want -- 51 tooth is great (http://pmpsprockets.com/buell1?b=1)

My website (http://streetfighterperformance.com/)

My chain drive setup (http://streetfighterperformance.com/xb12-turbo/drivetrain/final-drive)

[XB9SX Rj]

THANKS A MILLION @EricZ :) I'd be lost right now without the help...
I know I probably seem like a noob but I'm wondering the best way to loosen the front sprocket nut? Do I leave on the chain and have someone hold the brakes with the bike in gear? Or what?

[EricZ]

That is how I tighten it but I take it off with an impact. Remember, it has left hand threads.

[dinonz]

finally!!!. we also machined a spacer that sits under the nut and the hex screw heads sit on it to help hold the nut. were just in the process if taking the excess meat out of the tensioner frame to make it look betterhttp://www.buellxb.com/buell_images/15826_20140223234137_L.jpghttp://www.buellxb.com/buell_images/15826_20140223233744_L.jpghttp://www.buellxb.com/buell_images/15826_20140223233910_L.jpghttp://www.buellxb.com/buell_images/15826_20140223233558_L.jpg

[dinonz]

my brother owns a chain and sprocket making company and has the rears on the shelf . chain >530 and 520 . He cuts what ever pattern that you want on the sprocket . I haven't cleaned it after a 1200 km ride so every thing is filthy so don't look at the dirt

[kingwellenergy]

It's so cool,maybe it will supply more power to your motorcycle.Do you consider add a lithium battery (http://www.kingwellbattery.com) by driver?

[Petey]

for one of the best chain tensioners
click here
chain tensioner (http://www.buellxb.com/Buell-XB-Forum/Buell-Lightning-XB12S-XB12Ss-CityX-XB12Scg/A-DRIVE-CHAIN-TENSIONER-THAT-WORKS)

http://www.buellxb.com/buell_images/14535_20140822213428_L.jpg

[TPEHAK]

Hello,

Where can I order 21 tooth front front sprocket with offset for 520 chain?