View Full Version : 1125CR (a good review)

10-11-2008, 01:51 AM
Link (http://www.cycleworld.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id=916)


Truth be told, the Buell 1125R superbike introduced last year left a few things to be desired. The basic package was strong, the fundamentals sorted, but a few of the unfinished details let the bike down. The new-for-2009 1125CR Café Racer naked-bike addresses those refinement issues and gave us our first taste of what this liquid-cooled V-Twin platform is truly capable of.

The international launch for the 1125CR was held in Berlin, with one day devoted exclusively to track riding and the other to the road. The very first positive impression of the CR comes just after you hit the starter button: The bike fires to life and settles into a smooth idle, hot or cold. Our 2008 R version was often hard-starting and inconsistent in its idle quality, a situation caused by mapping issues with the EFI and ignition system. That appears to be fixed now. In addition, the fuel injectors have been re-aimed and the oxygen sensors moved to get a more precise reading from the exhaust system. Throttle accuracy and response are also much improved when the bike is in motion, and as we lapped the Spreewaldring track at a moderate pace to learn the layout, it was clear the bike simply ran better in lower-load situations than last year's R. Buell claims that the changes also have improved fuel efficiency by 20 percent and reduced engine heat issues due to cooler running. The map updates for the engine ECU are available for the 2008 R and, of course, all the EFI updates will be applied to the '09 R, too.

As our on-track pace increased, the 146-claimed-horsepower engine showed the same vigorous acceleration and torquey nature that we like so much about the R. But with more than 8-percent-lower gearing, the CR fires out of corners a lot more aggressively. Like on the R, quick steering geometry suggests that the chassis might be a bit flighty, yet even hammering out of tight corners with the front end light (or off the ground!), the CR never shook its head. Steering is low effort with the clubman-style bars, and the CR was nothing but neutral trail-braking hard down to the apex. The Showa suspension managed to keep the bike composed with firm damping at the track, and it offered enough range of adjustment to the softer side that riding on the extremely bumpy street route in former East Germany wasn't total punishment, either. There is still some drivetrain lash and more mechanical noise from the engine in town-type riding at low rpm than you would like, but because the engine is no longer hunting and surging in these types of part-throttle situations, it is much less obtrusive.

The ZTL2 inside-out front brake and its eight-piston caliper are unchanged from last year except for an alteration in pad compound to promote more linear response. The track bikes were fitted with racing pads (which worked great, as they should), but the stockers used for the street ride did show an improvement over the compound used on the '08 R. Pressure required at the lever is minimal, and power is such that a two-finger squeeze can easily lift the rear wheel off the ground.

So the $11,695 CR retains the sporting qualities that we liked about the R, but it adds a more upright riding position (with a comfortable seat), snappy right-now short gearing, great brakes, with drastically improved running qualities thanks to the engine updates. Buell may finally have arrived with a true "no-excuses" sporting platform.

10-11-2008, 11:01 AM
Yay a review! I get to ride one at the Buell demo day tomorrow! I just noticed... those bars in the pic are not the bars actually on the bike.



10-11-2008, 02:23 PM
Awesome review, now I have to test one when I get the chance, also, my wife made the point that she doesn't want any engine mods on the bike I'm riding now, something about wanting to know the difference from stock to no-longer-stock. So that is good news. Means the promise of a new bike next year wasn't empty at all...

10-12-2008, 12:52 AM
I dunno, when I first saw the bike I thought it was ugly as hell... I kinda fell in love with it after sitting on one at the 105th... may very well be my next bike.

10-12-2008, 12:56 AM
I can tolerate the looks, I've always been one to do my own thing, which is the reason I"m still a Specialist and not a Sergeant yet. Besides, 146 hp will make me forget all about the scoops of death, provided I can get more torque outta that beast. All of this of course, while making every other biker out there want to blow my ride to pieces...that's what I get on post already.

10-12-2008, 04:01 PM
sounds to me the motor should be less problems then the harley v twin....fido is the tq close to the 1200 buells just higher in rpm

10-12-2008, 04:04 PM
yes, baseline for torque is around 48-50 going up to about 80 at 8k. That is all I've been able to find so far.

10-12-2008, 04:38 PM
Here is the only dyno chart I've been able to find for the 1125r/cr. On the bright side, it's popped up on a handful of other buell/bike sites, so hopefully it's legit..From all of the articles I've been able to read it looks about right, man I love that torque curve, or should I say lack of curve?

10-12-2008, 06:17 PM
I was looking at the R and the CR this weekend and they dont look bad in real life. The scoops look much bigger in the pic's.

10-13-2008, 08:39 AM
Here is the only dyno chart I've been able to find for the 1125r/cr. On the bright side, it's popped up on a handful of other buell/bike sites, so hopefully it's legit..From all of the articles I've been able to read it looks about right, man I love that torque curve, or should I say lack of curve?
rh corner of the graph...smoothing=5 [mad]
that's just cheating in my eyes.[smirk]

my xbs turns out alot more and much sooner, which is the fun thing.

10-13-2008, 01:27 PM
I have no idea what the "smoothing" means, care to enlighten me?

10-13-2008, 01:49 PM
I have no idea what the "smoothing" means, care to enlighten me?
it's like an error correction...but in this case it's corrected upwards.
there's a more detailed explication here: click (http://www.buellxb.com/Buell-XB-Forum/Buell-Lightning-XB12S-XB12Ss-CityX-XB12Scg/Remus-Powerizer-VS-Doebeck-and-others)

10-13-2008, 02:11 PM
Thanks LeFox.

10-13-2008, 04:19 PM
dave_xb12r yes the bars on the pics are the one coming with the bike but you can also get a different set in the Buell accessory stuff.

10-14-2008, 02:05 PM
If you're looking for torque and power in a comfy chassis that also accelerate like crazy, buy Moto Morin Corsaro Veloce. It pumps out more torque than that of the CR. Next, i've seen a dyno of 1125R and over the Veloce. The Veloce got more real (rear wheel) hp than the 1125R. The 1125R had 132HP, the Veloce had 138HP. Only gripe is that the Moto Morin brand is real small. Oh, still the Buell will curve quicker. The Morini had more way more blast in the engine i can tell you.
There is no true "to die for bike". Maybe, Wakan Track racer, but it's not a production bike and the Roadster will cost like €32 000 (latest i've heard).
Roehr would be super cool in my book, but hey, $50K and i could never get it for that, taxed, shipped and homologated in my country.

10-14-2008, 06:11 PM
Sinpieces, you are correct.

There is no true "to die for bike".

LOL, I don't want the best of the best at one thing or even two, just the best for me. Meaning I will have to ride it first, and if I feel it is better for me than the 07' XB9SX CityX I currently have, then I'll get it, if not, then I'll try a few other bikes out. If I don't find what I want, then my wife will be getting an enduro and I'll just modd the 9 out more. I see no reason to get the CR or any other bike unless it "moves me" so to speak.

I'm pretty sure that's why most, if not all, of us are on Buells to begin with.