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firebladedave918
05-29-2014, 06:43 PM
Can anyone help???? I have a 1990 westwind with 1200 motor. I want to remove the transmission/clutch casing. I havent enough clearance past the frame rail. Surely it cant be an engine out job. Is there any way of pivoting the engine forward on the swingarm. Any help will be great.

jetlee
05-29-2014, 06:53 PM
Splitting cases is quite usually an engine-out job. It can be done on Blasts if following the right dis-assembly sequence. Seeing as how the RS1200 frame wraps around from the outside, I'm not sure that you can do an in-frame split. I'm also not familiar with the RS1200 mounts to know for sure.

jetlee
05-29-2014, 06:55 PM
Also, weren't there only like around 200 RS1200 Westwind's built? Are you comfortable splitting the case on such a rare motorcycle? If you're the least bit uncomfortable, have someone else do it.

Cosworth
05-29-2014, 07:27 PM
Yea, rare bike. We want pictures!!!!!

firebladedave918
05-29-2014, 07:40 PM
Its not the crank cases i want to split; only primary case. Yes i will post some pictures tomorrow. I will post a few of my problem too

jetlee
05-29-2014, 07:45 PM
Oh, just the primary cover?

http://xlforum.net/vbportal/forums/showthread.php?t=24307&page=2

One thing about all these old Buell Motor Company bikes: you can't get the primary cover off without raising the frame (or lowering the motor).

firebladedave918
05-29-2014, 08:13 PM
Thanks Jetlee. So i had a look and i think if i take of the tie-rods and support the engine with a trolley jack; maybe i coulnd undo the front engine mounts and pivot the engine a couple of inches enough to for the primary case to clear the frame. My question is; will the motor pivot on the swing arm mounting. Thanks for all your interest and advice; its gratefully appreciated. What a bad design it is. Its a long old task to remove the primary case. The cams came out with the other side; i was hoping to leave the cams in. Pain in the

jetlee
05-29-2014, 08:26 PM
It's not a bad design, the bike was made during the time that Erik was more interested in performance than serviceability.

I don't know how the rear of the engine/case is mounted, so I can't attest 100% to it...but from the pictures and information I can gather in short time, I'd venture to say that you can rotate it as you've described.

Getting the cams to stay in the case and not come off with the cover can be a test in patience, at times. I've done a lot of cam swapping on Sportsters in the past.

firebladedave918
05-29-2014, 08:54 PM
I agree with Erik Buells want for performance. And Erik Buell vision of what a motorcycle should be is quirky to say the least; but great. However; designing something that potentially needs an engine drop; even to change a clutch cable; well its just crazy; thats why i think there is a way around it. So Jetlee; can the cams go back in without the rocker arms being removed. Jet; i will take some photos for you tonorrow; also im going to try my theory.

jetlee
05-29-2014, 09:36 PM
If you can lift the lifters to slide the cams into place, with no friction on the journals...then sure you can do it without loosening the rockers. However, it has been my experience that this is not possible unless you have adjustable pushrods and collapsible tubes.

firebladedave918
05-29-2014, 10:34 PM
Best to loosen the rockers i think. Thanks mate. Are the pushrod covers spring loaded.

jetlee
05-30-2014, 01:15 AM
If you're loosening the rockers, there's no need to mess with the pushrod covers.

If they're collapsible, then yes, they're usually spring loaded.

Negative
05-30-2014, 04:26 PM
Wait ....... wait wait wait ..... I just went and googled pics of this bike to take a look at it .... this thing doesn't have a detachable derby cover?? ... shouldn't there be a way to retrofit one from a sporty with a derby cover in the primary?

jetlee
05-30-2014, 04:33 PM
Derby cover? I'm think it comes off.

I'm sure the OP has already tried that avenue and needs the extra space afforded by removing the entire primary cover.

-EDIT-
Maybe not...
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/gaillarry/SportsterClutch.jpg

Negative
05-30-2014, 07:07 PM
I can't see that picture .... I'm not sure if it's because I'm on my mil computer or not ...

firebladedave918
05-30-2014, 07:09 PM
Jet. Have you got email address; i cant seem to post photos on this forum.

jetlee
05-30-2014, 07:14 PM
I can't see that picture .... I'm not sure if it's because I'm on my mil computer or not ...
It's photobucket.com, I'm surprised I can even see it; work has photobucket.com firewalled.


Jet. Have you got email address; i cant seem to post photos on this forum.
PM sent.

firebladedave918
05-30-2014, 07:33 PM
http://www.buellxb.com/buell_images/18936_20140530133156_L.jpg

firebladedave918
05-30-2014, 07:38 PM
http://www.buellxb.com/buell_images/18936_20140530133505_L.jpghttp://www.buellxb.com/buell_images/18936_20140530133710_L.jpg

firebladedave918
05-30-2014, 07:57 PM
Are my pictures visible.

jetlee
05-30-2014, 08:03 PM
Yes.

I'm guessing the clutch is getting in the way (internally) of removing the cover as well?

You should be able to rotate the engine forward far enough to get that to clear. Just keep and eye on fuel line and wiring to coil/plugs.

Have any pictures of the whole bike? :D

firebladedave918
05-30-2014, 08:16 PM
yes; i will send it.

firebladedave918
05-30-2014, 08:28 PM
http://www.buellxb.com/buell_images/18936_20140530142250_L.jpg

jetlee
05-30-2014, 08:48 PM
That's awesome.

That looks like a shop (and 2-3 more bikes) in the background, or is that your garage?

pur pony
05-30-2014, 09:15 PM
just cut the frame section out... others have done it for exhausts. The frame is not important at all... LOL - j/k

firebladedave918
05-30-2014, 09:33 PM
Nice one pony lol. Actually not a bad idea. Cut it right and make the section removed boltable so it can be put back. Like some jap frame to aid engine removeable.

firebladedave918
05-30-2014, 09:35 PM
Yes jet its my garage. Buells for sale shortly.

jetlee
05-31-2014, 12:00 AM
Which Buell's for sale shortly? The RS1200??? DIBS!!

Do NOT cut the frame. Bolts are not as strong as welds. It's really not difficult to rotate the engine, if it's anything close to the Blasts or XB's. It's 1 of 200 bikes...don't cut it.

firebladedave918
05-31-2014, 01:03 AM
No i wont mate. It was an idea born out of frustration. Its number 46 out of 140.

pur pony
05-31-2014, 02:11 AM
I was just kidding... going back to the ass on ebay selling an x1 with the frame section cut out so he could use a s1 header.

IF you bike is like the other tubers, it should pivot at the rear isolators I would think

Negative
05-31-2014, 12:35 PM
The pictures were showing the whole time ... our military LAN filters out a lot of stuff it deems "hazardous" ... Don't ask me how it figures out what's what ... but apparently uploaded pics on here are on the cut list ...

firebladedave918
06-12-2014, 04:34 PM
Casings are off

jetlee
06-12-2014, 05:36 PM
How'd you end up doing it?

firebladedave918
08-19-2014, 05:53 PM
Hi, im back for more info. is anyone familiar with the engine in this buell, it has an xlh1200. the casing that hold the cams have a breather baffle in it also it has an umberellavalve. The casing that was purchased have not. can I run without.

And Jetlee. I got the casings off by dropping the engine from its front mount and pivoting it on the rear mounts, have to becareful because its mounted to the shock and has it gets tight it try to ping the bike off the paddock stand. did it quick and remounted the engine so its not constant compress on shock, worked a treat.