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tomahawk1976
05-15-2017, 06:48 PM
I know you are all biased, being buelligans like myself but I am very interested in an 1190sx and wanted to get some thoughts and opinions on the maintenance/parts availability of these bikes. If they were still in production or parts were readily available it would be a no brainer. Secondly finding somebody to work on it may prove to be a nightmare. I have a firebolt and a CR and i really love them both. Saw a good deal on the sx and am itching to pull the trigger.....what say you?

Cooter
05-15-2017, 07:12 PM
Yes


http://www.buellxb.com/forum/showthread.php?53018-Well-Bye

Silverrider
05-15-2017, 07:21 PM
Yes , pull the trigger. You will be totally impressed and then some!!

BambamXB12r
05-15-2017, 08:53 PM
Any concerns with finding parts down the road? I really want one as well but don't know what it's going to be like a few years from now when EBR may or may not be open and I'm trying to find parts.

Silverrider
05-15-2017, 10:14 PM
There are all ready bikes being taking apart and sold, as there will be more down the road.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=Buell&makeval=Buell&_osacat=6024&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1312.R1.TR10.TRC6.A0.H0.Xeb r.TRS2&_nkw=ebr+1190&_sacat=6028


A Few New EBR Dealers

Known dealers so far are:

Eaglerider Motorcycle Sales, Tempe, AZ

Rivas V-Twins, Fresno, CA

Dreyer Powersports, Whiteland, IN

Dillon Brothers MotorSports, Omaha, NE

Big Boyz Toys, Marlboro, NY

White's HD, Lebanon, PA

Freeway Powersports, El Paso, TX

Action Powersports, Waukesha, WI

They're not listed at ebr.com yet; info comes from various sources.

TPEHAK
05-16-2017, 03:06 AM
Be prepared for a lot of wrenching each year as regular maintenance routine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzM3cZ9thJ8

Same amount of work you do on XB just in case of emergency situation you will do on regular base as part of the normal process.

Silverrider
05-16-2017, 12:19 PM
Be prepared for a lot of wrenching each year as regular maintenance routine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzM3cZ9thJ8

Same amount of work you do on XB just in case of emergency situation you will do on regular base as part of the normal process.

This is the cost for the best ridinng motorcycle.:angel:

GregoXB
05-16-2017, 01:36 PM
WTF is valve lash adjustment?

d_adams
05-16-2017, 03:09 PM
Same thing that's been done on japanese bikes since the 60's. Valves must be shimmed to spec, .006-.009" intake and .009-.012" exhaust is an average. Intervals vary between manufacturer, some go as far out as 18k miles, EBR only 6k miles between checks.

Cooter
05-16-2017, 04:08 PM
Still better than a Ducati. Easier too.:)

TPEHAK
05-16-2017, 04:26 PM
WTF is valve lash adjustment?

Imagine you have to rotate the engine and tear apart motorcycle two-three times per year each time you change oil.

Cooter
05-16-2017, 04:52 PM
Any concerns with finding parts down the road? I really want one as well but don't know what it's going to be like a few years from now when EBR may or may not be open and I'm trying to find parts.

I still get this question about my Buells too. Not just the EBR.

So you "need parts". Tires? Brakes? Fluids? Valve shims? Bearings? Every single maintenance part is available aftermarket, and all at the approximately same cost. So thats a non-issue.:up:

Ok, so lets say you bought an EBR and your brother laughed at you and said 'you'll never find parts for that pos!' (your brother is a jerk...:black_eyed:) so he spent $15-$19K on a comparable bike. S1000R, R-1, Panigale, Super Duke, etc.

You are riding years from now (and your kicking his butt on you EBR of course:)) and you both slide off a cliff:upset: and the bikes need MFG specific parts like forks, dash, plastics, headlight, a swingarm, etc... OH NO!!

Your brothers Ducati will cost how much to fix his old bike? To get the post-wrecked bike back in months? Heck! He's still making payments!! Your payments were done a long time ago. You pay the same $$ as his repairs and have:

another new EBR delivered to your door in a week. Go ahead pick a different color:love_heart:

AND you have a couple thousand dollars of spare parts to sell, or keep for your new EBR.

Catastrophic engine failure? No OEM engine from any of those dealers or race teams? No salvage yard engines? No eBay engines to find? Get another whole bike. You still spent less than any comparable sport bike, (and still have the EBR parts to sell from the old bike).

It seems like a win-win, Because it is.:cool::up:

Cooter
05-16-2017, 05:03 PM
Imagine you have to rotate the engine and tear apart motorcycle two-three times per year each time you change oil.

Tpehak rides 18,000 miles a year on a sport bike, he's a bad ass:D lol

I haven't 'rotated' the EBR (yet), but I can do an 1125 in an afternoon. It's about the same time as it takes me to adjust almost any I-4 (with twice as many valves). I can not valve adjust any desmo Ducati that fast:mad-new:.

It would be super interesting to compare book time for a valve adjust on sport bikes 2014-2017. Anyone with a Mitchell on-demand?

GregoXB
05-16-2017, 09:49 PM
Same thing that's been done on japanese bikes since the 60's. Valves must be shimmed to spec, .006-.009" intake and .009-.012" exhaust is an average. Intervals vary between manufacturer, some go as far out as 18k miles, EBR only 6k miles between checks.

There really is something to be said about having a bike that is not that needy and cares more about what you want to do. Just makes me realize even more what a tragedy it is that the XBs are no longer around...

Cooter
05-16-2017, 11:42 PM
It's more a difference of a pushrod, hydraulic lifter (zero maintenance) system that turns only 6k RPM effectively, or an overhead cam engine that goes to 11...

Daily driver? Totally!! I look for zero maintenance and it will take a lot of abuse...:up: But a hyper sport machine putting out 185Hp will need some love in the garage.

HighwayHum72
05-18-2017, 08:31 PM
a lot of good points here. I am also looking at picking up a new EBR because they are a great deal indeed! I must admit that whilst I do love my XB very much, I can not ignore my desire to get another bike with more torque and more top end. Don't get me wrong, I will not consider selling my XB12 but I will add another machine that is capable of another level of performance.

HighwayHum72
05-18-2017, 08:39 PM
...so that being said, I officially vote YES to the thread question. oh and since we all like to look at pictures, here are the latest set of bars mounted to my bike with 1" risers. I actually prefer these bars over the renthal streetfighters.
71837184

Subarubrat
05-19-2017, 03:56 AM
I picket up a new in box 1190RX and it is simply the most amazing bike I have ever ridden. It is similar to the air cooled Buells in many ways, yet so radically different when it comes to the drivetrain. Even with my XB12 modded with big bore/cams/heads/etc. seems slow by comparison to the EBR. The EBR isn't a replacement for the XB though, they complement each other very well, I find myself riding my XB as much as the EBR, owning both is the best solution!

Cooter
05-19-2017, 05:35 AM
I totally concur with Subarubrat. I've been swapping between the STT and the EBR rather frequently lately, and "Compliment each other" is the perfect description.


I was modding my XB yesterday (not like yours though!) to 4th gear wheels up and it feels and sounds super fast!

Got on the EBR today and went. Well, ummm, ya. Theres that:eagerness:

Silverrider
05-19-2017, 10:29 PM
2017 Superbike Shootout Preview
Seven superbikes soon sweetly singing in our biggest shootout of the year!


http://www.motorcycle.com/shoot-outs/2017-superbike-shootout-preview

Cooter
05-19-2017, 11:22 PM
OOoooooooo I could make it to Fontana for that!!

Sadly I believe the EBR is vastly outdated:( 2014! in a VERY competitive market. It's a FAST capable ride no doubt. Any rider who has enough skill to just turn everything off (like these test riders) will be able to be competitive on the EBR.

The 'problem' is that the electronics suite these other bikes have, especially the BMW:love_heart: 90% of riders can ride a lesser bike faster. Just like driving a new sportscar to the limit with ABS, stability control, etc... A 350HP new car could beat out a 600hp analog car. The future of cars and bikes will be where fighter jets are now. Literally unusable without electronic help, but performance that boggles the mind.

I'm an analog guy. I don't even have a digital watch. If I lock up the rear with a crappy downshift mid corner and high side into the grass, it's my fault and lots of pain will make me learn how to do that better.

I'm never gonna sue BMW because the Bosch inertia sensor quit and I'm just used to mashing the brakes, slapping the shifter, and cranking the gas, expecting the computer to do the skill part for me. Or pay $1000 everytime something goes wrong that I can't fix.

YMMV

Cooter
05-19-2017, 11:48 PM
Check out the Aprillia RSV-4:
https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/2017-aprilia-rsv4-rf-and-rsv4-rr-first-ride-motorcycle-review

Use your smartphone to program the bike to each individual track? Turn-by-turn settings for ABS, wheelie control, traction control, rev limits, etc!?!?!

Holy shnikies... it's at the same price point the EBR was in 2014-2015 and a whole 'nother animal.

qurtrn10
05-21-2017, 05:05 AM
I went from this...
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y109/WilliamWalker/Buell/IMAG0164_zpsa8uwdsef.jpg (http://s4.photobucket.com/user/WilliamWalker/media/Buell/IMAG0164_zpsa8uwdsef.jpg.html)
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y109/WilliamWalker/Buell/IMG_20140808_172916_zps9zmrmcwy.jpg (http://s4.photobucket.com/user/WilliamWalker/media/Buell/IMG_20140808_172916_zps9zmrmcwy.jpg.html)
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y109/WilliamWalker/Buell/IMG_20151201_121043_zpsbviklnjb.jpg (http://s4.photobucket.com/user/WilliamWalker/media/Buell/IMG_20151201_121043_zpsbviklnjb.jpg.html)

(All three pics are of the same bike - I had multiple color sets and would swap out once a year to mix it up a little)

To this...
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y109/WilliamWalker/EBR/IMAG44731_zpsiwmpoitn.jpg (http://s4.photobucket.com/user/WilliamWalker/media/EBR/IMAG44731_zpsiwmpoitn.jpg.html)
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y109/WilliamWalker/EBR/2016-11-13%206_zpssrfnhmjx.jpg (http://s4.photobucket.com/user/WilliamWalker/media/EBR/2016-11-13%206_zpssrfnhmjx.jpg.html)

and loved it so much I bought another...
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y109/WilliamWalker/EBR%20Number%202/2016-09-20%20-%20First%20day%20of%20ownership%201_zps0qbtbw3n.jp g (http://s4.photobucket.com/user/WilliamWalker/media/EBR%20Number%202/2016-09-20%20-%20First%20day%20of%20ownership%201_zps0qbtbw3n.jp g.html)
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y109/WilliamWalker/EBR%20Number%202/2017-05-10%201_zpsglgndszg.jpg (http://s4.photobucket.com/user/WilliamWalker/media/EBR%20Number%202/2017-05-10%201_zpsglgndszg.jpg.html)

Wouldn't mind getting a third by the end of the year. :)

Silverrider
05-21-2017, 02:39 PM
Great bikes all of them!! Thx for sharing.

Silverrider
05-21-2017, 02:51 PM
Thx Dean,

This is a direct quote from the owner of the company that makes the ecm for Buell & EBR, they've been at it since 1999.

"‎Tim Blomenberg‎ to EBR 1190 Owners Group
3 hrs · Decatur, IN ·
EBR owners, listen up. This is not a sales pitch, but an attempt to get the truth out there to keep you and your bike on the road! I've seen quite a few posts lately about guys that have changed their exhaust, and continued to run the stock ECM or even a performance ECM not properly matched to their replacement exhaust (be it secondary muffler delete, Adams, HMF, APH, or others). The owner thinks it's "safe" because the ECM will adapt to the new exhaust as they ride. News flash: The stock ECM for the 1190RX/SX does not "learn" in terms of Air / Fuel Ratio (AFR) as Buells do (to some extent anyway). What you see when you first ride it (on road or dyno) is what you will get consistently (except for changes in engine and air temps, ram air, etc.). Our performance ECMs don't learn AFR's either; they are set up to perform consistently and not change as you ride. What this means is that if your bike is lean (or rich) in spots when you first run it on the dyno, the ECM is not going to fix itself over time! Furthermore, on a dyno, you might be looking at AFRs at Wide Open Throttle (WOT), but you also need to consider part throttle AFRs. The fuel maps have 384 independently-adjustable values for each cylinder. WOT only accounts for 24 of those. A good tune consists of a complete fuel remap, not just WOT! But even more importantly, don't forget about spark advance! The advance curves on the stock ECM are much different than those on our performance ECMs. When you change the pipe, you radically affect the engine's optimal spark advance, and if you don't correct that quickly, you WILL do engine damage from too much advance, even at part throttle. A performance ECM developed specifically for your exhaust configuration is critical to engine life, and it's a small price to pay compared to an engine rebuild!
— at Intelligent Design Solutions (IDS)."7212