Buelltooth Mufflers

[The Bob]

I've searched for reviews and/or opinions of the Buelltooth mufflers. I've seen a couple folks have the supertrapp style and like them OK. Does anyone have the XB-SS or XB-SG? They are "stainless steel" so someone put some effort into them. Good, bad or indifferent?

https://www.buelltooth.com/exhaust.html.

[Cooter]

Yes they are 100% stainless. I have the Supertrapp style on my STT and really really like it a lot.
Very easy install and cheap!

[tleighbell]

Hey Cooter. Saw from older posts that you had a Drummer previously. I'd appreciate your comments on the Drummer vs. Buelltooth as i am considering both. Thanks.

[Cooter]

My Drummer was the stock can/aluminum end cap style and I did like it a lot! Kevin is the man:)

It would be quieter than the Buelltooth Supertrapp style and maybe a little deeper when full of packing. I didn't like the bulk down there (or the maintenance) but I wouldn't hesitate to recommend one:eagerness:

[njloco]

Im looking at this Buelltooth muffler and it's so cool looking but, I have a hard time thinking about putting a muffler on, that I can't jack the bike up on, am the only one ?

[Chicknstripn]

Njloco, how often do you jack your bike up? If you have a rear wheel stand the ability to jack the bike up by the muffler really isn’t that important.
I don’t think I’ve ever jacked my bike up from the muffler. I always use a rear wheel stand to maintenance.
Just a thought.

[tleighbell]

Thanks Cooter. I like being able to jack the bike up on the muffler. Partly due to space arrangements in my garage but it makes it easier to work on suspension especially rear. Plus for winter storage you can take the weight off the suspension as well as the tires. There are other ways to do it like hang it from an A-frame ladder or ceiling but jacking is easy.

[Cooter]

Like Chicken said, I have never needed to jack up the bike by the unstable round muffler for anything. I know you can nail together a homemade wood cradle thing, but even a cheap HF paddock stand makes a much more solid foundation to pull off the tire and hold the bike upright.

This makes it even easier, if you don't trust the swingarm pads:eagerness:
https://www.buellxb.com/forum/showthread.php?53809-Cooter-makes-a-handy-XB-rear-stand-mount&highlight=cooter+makes

Even riding the Cyclone M-2 (with Buelltooth muffler) and losing the front wheel bearings in you're-going-to-die-if-you-don't-fix-it Montana, I was able to easily but the jack up the front by the engine case, balanced on the kickstand to swap them out.

*Importantly though, I don't believe you can use the jack points on the Drummer anyway? You'd have to ask Kevin, but theres no longer any support inside it, just a screen to wrap padding around. I don't know any aftermarket muffler you can jack it up on if that's your priority... you might be looking for a factory Buell "Race muffler".

[Cooter]

IMO, I would suggest against the ol' wives tale of "taking the weight off the suspension". They certainly won't wear them out just sitting there. Monroe shocks used to quote that for every mile driven, the suspension cycles over a million times:eek:. Since a Buell with 100k on the clock can still have stock springs in it, statically sitting over winter won't kill them.

The problem is when you 'take the weight off' and letting the suspension hang off the bike, you are exposing more of the shock shaft and fork legs. Even those hardened chrome surfaces that are now exposed can get tiny pits of rust and when you drop the bike back down they will cut into the dry shock and fork seals, prematurely wearing them for no reason at all.

Every month, wander out to the garage and check on your baby. Check for rodents, wipe the shiny stuff with WD-40, check the lamp timer on the Battery Tender (never use 100% ON!), roll the tires 90*, and DON'T start it until you can RIDE IT up to operating temp. Gas and oil will be fine for up to 2 years, if you get to three years, sell it to someone who will ride it;)

However, I would suggest storing the bike with the tires off the ground (front fork stand, and rear swingarm stand) or on a softer surface like wood. Over a winter won't matter, but if one winter turns to two or three or four:(


TL;DR Cooter is preaching again:black_eyed:

[tleighbell]

Hey Cooter, thanks for the info.

[Cooter]

No worries... Just blabbing my opinions:angel:

[tleighbell]

Not to argue with all the reasons not to use the muffler as a jacking point but I was on the Drummer website (again) and he does claim you can still use his muffler for jacking. The bike. Off the ground.

[34nineteen]

Gas and oil will be fine for up to 2 years:

I think you've been sniffing that 2 year old gas. LOL!:confused:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib5p7F0kRWU

[34nineteen]

*Importantly though, I don't believe you can use the jack points on the Drummer anyway? You'd have to ask Kevin, but theres no longer any support inside it, just a screen to wrap padding around. I don't know any aftermarket muffler you can jack it up on if that's your priority... you might be looking for a factory Buell "Race muffler".

I think you may be OK jacking up one of his steel "converted from stock" mufflers.

Unless you were able to lift by the endcaps on the SS one, I imagine you could do it in a pinch, if you're in "fix it or die Montana".... but I wouldn't do it.

[Cooter]

I'd do it too if i had too, and by the end cap is plenty strong enough IMO. Just saying I had the converted-from-stock one apart and the OE interior bracing thats at the arrow 'jack here' point at the front is all gutted, leaving the oval tube only. YMMV.


MMMM hmmmm 34:19, The smell of varnished gas always reminds me of starting a brand new project:applause: and makes me sleepy:sleeping:

[rb70383]

I made my muffler and kept the supports. JIC. I did have a fuel pump go out. I made a U from a 2x8 IIRC, screwed a base onto it and it held the rear tire off the ground. Strapped the front forks to the trailer. Stable, no issues. Also used it to swap out front wheel bearings. At the time I didn't use the kickstand to pivot the bike as there was talk of weak kickstands and bikes falling over. Which Buell did replace on mine. Didn't fall over, but a recall came out IIRC.
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I have now gotten a set of stands and of course I now have 2 bikes.....Vicious cycle

[34nineteen]

Pics or it didnt happen! :eagerness:

[RidetheLightning]

i'Hey guys I was reading through this and noticed there were no replies from anyone who has used the SG model. I personally like the style of that one more, and have been curious about it's quality. The price seems a little too good to be true, and I think the discount is due to Chinese manufacturing. They used to offer another model on their website that said made in the USA and seemed to be higher quality stainless, but I'm guessing the demand wasn't there (sad, since I think that one was still only $450).

[34nineteen]

I thought you had a Drummer or some other performance pipe?

Cooter is buddies with the Buelltooth guy.

[RidetheLightning]

I've got a Jardine, going to take the end cap off and re-pack it while I've got everything off the bike. I've heard quite a few quality issues with the Jardine, and have been curious about other options. Drummer's at the top of my list right now.

[34nineteen]

I've got a Jardine, going to take the end cap off and re-pack it while I've got everything off the bike. I've heard quite a few quality issues with the Jardine, and have been curious about other options. Drummer's at the top of my list right now.

Go to Space Age in Mesa and get the rivets from there. Their rivets are much better than the hardware store ones.

My new bike has a pretty roached out carbon Jardine.

Let me know before you decide to pull the trigger on a Drummer. Kevin is good people. He just did a Drummer conversion to a stock S1 pipe for me. It looks great and I cant wait to hear it.