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    BTW if you truly get 15hp out of your build please post before and after dyno charts

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    Hp is expensive. If you want the most results, look into forced induction.


    cant wait to hear that beast purr Brett. That thing is going to be a hoot!

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    Well the powdercoater informed me last week I had a small crack in the header so I have to get that welded up. My welder must have missed it when he installed the front bung. Also Hammer has the heads right now and with it being Spring they are a bit behind. So it will be several more weeks. Along the way I have been installing handlebar risers, heated grips, shift light, voltage gauge, new fan, new belt, made a couple more mufflers to play with. I have been busy! LOL

    I might completely revamp my fuel maps as well to use the unused portion. If I get time I will play around with it.

    Still undecided on the XB9 chain. I ran it on my last setup and enjoyed it. If I don't get the acceleration I want with the 1250 kit then I will throw on the XB9 chain for better acceleration.

    Brett

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    What difference did you notice with the crank? Better acceleration? As in higher rpms faster or better pull down low? Did you do it all the work at once? How did you tell the difference between the crank effects vs increased bore vs increased engine efficiency?

    You are so right on tuning! So many people shy away from tuning but it is the biggest improvement! Even just shutting off closed loop and running a richer AFR will net you nice gains. Of course tuning it properly with a wideband is where it is at. I use a ZT2 and datalog with a Palm Pilot. Adjust my maps by hand using an excel speadsheet. Old school but works.

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    I'm gun shy with the tuning. It's a confusing world for me. I tried data logging but my laptop doesn't like riding in a backpack.
    The crank is a ton smoother and spins up faster. I believe that has transformed the engine characteristics of the bike. It was the first big difference I noticed when I was breaking in the engine after the rebuild. It was just so smooth. Well, from what a Buell xb feels like stock.
    I'm sure I have more pull down low and it certainly pulls harder up top.
    That's where I really feel the head work cams and 1250 kit have made a difference.
    However, I as stated before, I'm probably not getting everything I can out of my build. And that's due to my lack of tuning expertise.
    I did all the work at one time. And I knew the tuning would be my biggest obstacle. I've owned the bike since it was brand new. I'll never get rid of it so it will always be a work in progress.
    My advise to anyone wanting more power from their bike is to exhaust all the less expensive bolt on options, such as intake exhaust and fuel injection tuning before jumping straight to a big bore kit.
    I might be running 10hp more than I was with the stock components. It's hard to tell without back to back dyno runs.
    Anyway, any competent tuner can probably accomplish the same feat.
    The problem with Buells is the fact that if you can't tune the bike yourself... Good luck finding someone that can.
    Lawdog- I've seen your name attached to several threads and from what I've read it seems like you know a thing or two about tuning. So I'm sure you'll see great results from your build.
    For me the results have been meh. Especially when I think about the amount of money I dumped into my bike.
    Little things will add up quick!

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    For tuning you need a wideband to read the AFR. A datalogger to record the data. Software to view, manipulate, and understand the data in your computer. And a way to write changes to the ECM.

    I use a ZT2 wideband with a Palm Pilot and Datalogger software. I convert the logs with ZTPViewer and analyze with Winlogview. I then make changes in an Excel spreadsheet and upload the changes to the ECM. My way is honestly old school compared to Ecmspy or the work Mike did with Tunerpro. There are many newer, better programs for logging and analyzing the data but what I have works and is free!

    I have written a ton of stuff on here about tuning. It is not all that user friendly but you either pay for someone to tune it, pay for mail order ECM from EBR, Ecmspy, or Tunerpro.

    I was running out of fueling just with bolt-ons so I had to upgrade to a higher psi fuel pressure regulator for more fuel volume. So I will be back to square one with my tune. I also had the fuel injectors cleaned so that should make a difference as well.

    Once I get the cams, heads, and bore kit I will start a new thread and quit hijacking this one! haha

    Brett

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    Well, the original post did ask for opinions from experiance.....
    I have to start researching the ZT2 set up. That's definitely my next big move to make the bike better!

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    All good and very relavent info so i dont mind!!

    Thanks for everyones input so far.

    I Installed the 1250 kit over the weekend, rebuilt the heads and installed the new clutch. Re-wrapped the header with a titanium heat wrap as well. Tonight the new fuel pump, FPR and filter will be installed and then hopefully tomorrow with be my first ride since tearing it down. I fired it up last night and it sounds mean with the extra compression, my fuel pump is weak so I dont want to ride it till the new one is in.

    Next will be the tuning......

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    Mine is going back together Friday. Hoping to have it on the dyno by the middle of the week

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    Another tip I should have mentioned is to make sure your timing is set correctly. I did the "scribe line" method mentioned in the service manual when I disassembled the motor. I made sure the stock position of the timing plate was a baseline for the rebuild.
    I could not get confident results setting the static timing with the method from service manual. Therefore, I combined a method that had been suggested on different posts by several competent Buellers:
    I did the following after putting the bike on a stand, putting the transmission in 5th gear and removing the timing inspection plug. Also it's a good idea to use a rubber band or zip tie to insure the front brake is applied. This insures the bike doesn't move forward. These engines can be difficult to manually rotate.
    I pulled the front spark plug and rotated the engine until I saw the timing mark centered in the inspection window. I then used a thin plastic wire to measure the distance from the top of the spark plug hole to the top of the piston. When I was confident I had manually found TPC(for the front cylinder), with the flywheel timing marks perfectly centered in the inspection window, I turned the key on and flipped the kill switch to run. DO NOT THUMB THE STARTER!!!! I then turned the timing plate clockwise until I heard the fuel pump prime. Your set up my require you to move the timing plate counter clockwise.
    I then hooked the bike up to ECMspy and checked that my static timing was correct.
    AND according to the service manual and ECMspy I set my static timing perfectly.
    By just using the method in the service manual I could not produce confident results. Doing it this way I was absolutely confident that my timing was correct.
    I actually had to advance my timing about 1 degree from the stock position for my cams. I'm sure other bikes, other builds will be different.
    Hope this helps anyone having issues setting the timing on a new build.



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