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    Riding tips

    So I've always been riding cruisers growing up and this is my first sport bike. Any tips that could help me out. For example cornering.

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    hey turn the same as every motorcycle. Push on the left bar to go left and the right bar to go right. I would seriously consider a MSF class to start with and you get a little insurance break from it, then go do "C" class on a track day. Tell one of the organizers what your up to and you should have no problem getting all the info you could ever want, including lead/follow sessions or even a 2-up lap.

    I can't stress enough how fun, safe, and game changing a track day can be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cooter View Post
    hey turn the same as every motorcycle. Push on the left bar to go left and the right bar to go right.
    I've always wondered why the physics works like that. Is it from pushing on the bar, you are shifting your weight to that side? Are you leaning a bit when you do that? I dont think thats the case, as I never lean into my turns. LOL.


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    Yup... nailed it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 34nineteen View Post
    I've always wondered why the physics works like that. Is it from pushing on the bar, you are shifting your weight to that side? Are you leaning a bit when you do that? I dont think thats the case, as I never lean into my turns. LOL.


    A motorcycle squid is a slang term, so having a definite meaning for it is not easy. ... The urban dictionary defines a motorcycle squid as someone who over-estimates his abilities while riding a bike, and is over-confident of his abilities despite lacking any relevant skills.Mar 17, 2017

    Yup... nailed it!
    https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...tersteer+works

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    Quote Originally Posted by 34nineteen View Post
    Is it from pushing on the bar, you are shifting your weight to that side? Are you leaning a bit when you do that?
    When you initiate a turn on a motorcycle by shifting your weight, you're basically trying to fall over sideways on purpose and then catching yourself (using the power from the bike or arc of the turn) with centrifugal force to keep you up and in balance.

    All of that makes going around a corner a complicated process and you haven't even got to actually figuring out the corner or any possible obstacles in your way. Diminishing returns as well, the more you lean, the harder you have to try to keep yourself up. That's WRONG! (lol)

    Instead, just push the bar and go around a corner. Really. I know it sounds stupid but the harder you push the bar, the sharper the bike turns (counter steering). Confident, and effortless, all the way to the edge if you want.
    {Yoda}
    "To turn corners, straight first you must go!"

    Try this little test Go straight from 30mph to a mildly aggressive, complete stop with the front brake. Note how the front dives down.

    Use proper body position:
    Grip the bike with your knees, stay square (spine at 90* to the bike), a little pressure on the footpegs (balls of your feet), and keep a tight core. It should be comfortable, you'll be riding 100's of miles like that from now on. If you're doing the body position right, you should be able to let go of the bars while riding without shifting your weight.

    Now do the stop thing again. Make sure you are still using your knees to grip the bike and not putting weight on your wrists. Note that the forks don't dive anymore. Crazy right? You have just lowered your CG by almost a foot!

    Thats how you ride straight. Your wrists will thank you. Even turning aggressively takes almost no effort from your hands, so this proper body position is very important.

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    Don't listen to some blowhard on the internet who thinks they know everything Get professional advise, there is a TON out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cooter View Post
    Don't listen to some blowhard on the internet who thinks they know everything



    heheheheheheheheheheheheh!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cooter View Post

    Instead, just push the bar and go around a corner. Really. I know it sounds stupid but the harder you push the bar, the sharper the bike turns (counter steering).

    This has always amazed me how this works, and I often think about it when cornering... especially while on a long sweeping turn like a cloverleaf. As I'm taking the turn, I'm actually pushing on the bar. Seems totally counterintuitive on paper, but it works. I just always assumed it was a weight transfer thing more so than actually pushing on the bar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cooter View Post
    When you initiate a turn on a motorcycle by shifting your weight, you're basically trying to fall over sideways on purpose and then catching yourself (using the power from the bike or arc of the turn) with centrifugal force to keep you up and in balance.

    All of that makes going around a corner a complicated process and you haven't even got to actually figuring out the corner or any possible obstacles in your way. Diminishing returns as well, the more you lean, the harder you have to try to keep yourself up. That's WRONG! (lol)

    Instead, just push the bar and go around a corner. Really. I know it sounds stupid but the harder you push the bar, the sharper the bike turns (counter steering). Confident, and effortless, all the way to the edge if you want.
    {Yoda}
    "To turn corners, straight first you must go!"

    Try this little test Go straight from 30mph to a mildly aggressive, complete stop with the front brake. Note how the front dives down.

    Use proper body position:
    Grip the bike with your knees, stay square (spine at 90* to the bike), a little pressure on the footpegs (balls of your feet), and keep a tight core. It should be comfortable, you'll be riding 100's of miles like that from now on. If you're doing the body position right, you should be able to let go of the bars while riding without shifting your weight.

    Now do the stop thing again. Make sure you are still using your knees to grip the bike and not putting weight on your wrists. Note that the forks don't dive anymore. Crazy right? You have just lowered your CG by almost a foot!

    Thats how you ride straight. Your wrists will thank you. Even turning aggressively takes almost no effort from your hands, so this proper body position is very important.

    Heres you official 'Busa footwear
    6rVYe.jpg
    Try this little test Go straight from 30mph to a mildly aggressive, complete stop with the front brake. Note how the front dives down.


    NOT ON MY NEW 2018 BMW GS!!!
    it has TeleLever front suspension....and ParaLever rear suspension. the front TeleLever prevents suspension "dive" during all braking procedures from mild to panic. Incredible dynamic superior German craftsmanship and brilliantly executed.

    Warm Regards,
    Osvaldo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sdrxb12s View Post
    So I've always been riding cruisers growing up and this is my first sport bike. Any tips that could help me out. For example cornering.

    You're a bluenose. One of the finest public roads in the world is in your backyard. ride the Cabot Trail whenever possible. the wannabee racers on here might chime in with their endless "track inspired safety gear" recommendations to include the latest vogue $900 helmet. All bull**** candy-ass nonsense. just look ahead to where you want to go and the bike will go there. if you don't fall off you don't need special ricky-racer paraphernalia. ride comfortable and cool like me.
    Here i am headed to Barber last saturday morning in my track-attire. no Eddie Lawson garb required. i did grab a new helmet at Costco the other week but other than that, i'm race-ready!

    Love Always,
    FabioDriven


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