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    Quote Originally Posted by RidetheLightning View Post
    I mentioned the rear rocker box gasket on my XB required an engine rotation, he said it didn't and that he just gets in from taking the tank off.
    This is correct. At minimum, it requires a rotation. I prefer to do a complete removal. I feel the added steps taken to remove the frame from the motor, make the process of working on the motor much much easier. YMMV.

    Quote Originally Posted by RidetheLightning View Post
    , but you're in good hands here with the advice already given (see: Barrett, Cooter, and maybe even 34nineteen if you don't mind some cheap shots).
    Heheheh. He's not kidding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barrett View Post
    Sir: Wilmington, for a multitude of reasons, is a very difficult environment for motorcycles, let alone an air-cooled V-twin Buell. i would suspect that lurking beneath these initial problems you've outlined, are several more requiring immediate attention. not to impune your judgment, but IMO it was a poor choice for your first street-duty motorcycle, and quite possibly was substantially misrepresented by the seller. from your description you "took a quick test ride" and then "a short ride up the street"...and now it's all this.
    NC new and used vehicle consumer protection laws specifically address and cover what you've just experienced.
    immediately contact the seller....describe the known defects....quote NC law if necessary...and demand to return it for full immediate refund. clearly, both this bike and its readily apparent problems are not for you. resolve this, then buy something else. what that might be is entirely dependent on your tastes and riding intentions.
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    So good^^^

    and so true!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barrett View Post
    Sir: Wilmington, for a multitude of reasons, is a very difficult environment for motorcycles, let alone an air-cooled V-twin Buell. i would suspect that lurking beneath these initial problems you've outlined, are several more requiring immediate attention. not to impune your judgment, but IMO it was a poor choice for your first street-duty motorcycle, and quite possibly was substantially misrepresented by the seller. from your description you "took a quick test ride" and then "a short ride up the street"...and now it's all this.
    NC new and used vehicle consumer protection laws specifically address and cover what you've just experienced.
    immediately contact the seller....describe the known defects....quote NC law if necessary...and demand to return it for full immediate refund. clearly, both this bike and its readily apparent problems are not for you. resolve this, then buy something else. what that might be is entirely dependent on your tastes and riding intentions.
    I think I'd agree with this sentiment.

    Lot's to consider - choices to be made. Do what's gonna be best in the long-term.

    I bought my Buell knowing I'd have to do some work on it and keep working on it to keep it rolling. Just the nature of the beast.

    That said, I do intend to get a second bike, when the kids start leaving the house, so I can preserve the Buell.

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    Hey gang, thanks again for the help, thought Iíd update yíall, after a couple weeks of studying videos of guys taking the xb apart Iíve decided to do the work myself. Depending on the condition of the top end Iím seriously considering adding a big bore kit made by Hammer Performance https://www.1250kits.com/883conversions.shtml
    Who knows tho I may pull my cylinders and they could be in great shape but I have a feeling thatís hiiighly unlikely. Another route Iím considering is sending them off to Zippers Performance Products to have them re-honed and cleaned up. Iím currently (as in today) going to diagnose why she wonít turn over, starting with the spark plugs. The fuel pump IS priming but donít know if maybe itís gunked up or something. https://share.icloud.com/photos/0Iv2pk56iP-px-IP6jNlS6psA
    (Let me know if that link doesnít work Iíve had a time of it trying to upload on this platform) The engine oil light is on when attempting to start and correct me if Iím wrong but I was reading that it needs oil pressure to turn off and because the bike isnít running there is no pressure? Assuming Iíve got a spark and itís not the spark plugs what should I address next? Fuel pump? Also, Iíve seen several guys remove the engine by keeping it attached to the swing arm and sliding it out rather than pulling the entire engine separately which I like because it would allow me to rotate the tire to get to top dead compression instead of opening up the crank case plus it helps stabilize it, does anyone know of a video that shows this disassembly in detail or can someone show me where in the service manual it details this? Thanks again all, Iím super excited to tackle this project, itís way over my head but Iím a quick learner and believe if Iím going to ride it I should know how it works, plus thereís the satisfaction of knowing I rebuilt my very own bike! Cheers,
    -Fielding
    Last edited by Fielding05xb9sx; 01-24-2021 at 04:06 PM.

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    Oh also, Iíd really like to get a feel for the bike before I commit to putting on a big bore, for all I know the 984cc is scary enough and all I can handle, is there some sort of way to temporarily plug the oil leak so I can run her, like a jb weld or some high temp silicone or something? Since Iím going to rebuild her anyway I was wondering if this cheap (likely Iíll advised) fix would do more damage or wold be ok for zipping around town. Iíve got to insure and register her first which will take some time since I have to fix the turn signal relay and rear break light relay. The bike came with no front turn signals so can someone point me to the wiring diagram so that I can attach some on the front? I ordered a kool led strip signals and brake light all in one for the rear from a guy who custom makes them with his 3D printer off eBay so going to install that as well. Basically Iím going to replace everything on this bike and black it out. Where do yíall find the best aftermarket parts for these? Revzilla? Motosport? CycleGear? Was hoping to find some more custom parts, like an LED upgraded headlight setup, and custom gauges. Thanks again

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    Ok, take a breath. You're all over the place so it's really hard to get a grip on what the heck you are saying.

    1) "Turning over" means 'cranking' (battery), and "starting" means 'running' (fuel/spark). Very different systems to diagnose.
    2) Yes, you should replace your spark plugs. Starting it repeatedly and not riding it will certainly foul your plugs fast on a Buell. The Buell Rule is if you start it, RIDE it. You won't be riding this one soon, so DON'T START IT. See #7
    3) You don't need a wiring diagram to put on front signals the wires are behind the windscreen, the diagram is in the link I already gave you. Strike one for not clicking it. RTFM. BUT. Why would you even consider buying fancy black parts for a bike that doesn't even RUN??
    4) Engine removal instructions are in the manual. In the link I already gave you. Strike one for not clicking it. RTFM.
    5) If you are able to remove the engine yourself, the least of your worries is how to spin it over. You will disassembling it anyway, why dick with the cumbersome rear wheel hanging on it? It is one large bolt to remove it (and a pinch bolt). Same for the swing arm.
    6) FIX IT. FIRST. We will help... BUT, there are several things you need to be familiar with that are in the link I already gave you. Strike one for not clicking it. RTFM
    7) In your video it looks like the head bolts are loose or stripped letting blow-by creep past the cylinder base gasket. Not good, but also not catastrophic. IMO NO, don't ride it. Every power stroke is trying to lift the cylinder out of the case on compromised bolts. If they are just loose now, they will strip out of the case if they are ignored.
    8) Yes the oil pressure light is on with the engine not running. There is no oil pressure in an engine that is not running. Thats why the light is on. No oil pressure. It's in the link I already gave you. Strike one for not clicking it. RTFM
    9) NO, I would not JB weld a cylinder to a case. It won't hold the cylinder, it won't seal the blow by, and it will be a nightmare to remove.
    10) Its 'brakes'. If your brakes break, fix the brakes. Then take a break.

    If you want to ride this Buell, you have 2 options:
    1) Get it started and ride it until it breaks. That will be soon.
    2) Fix it. IMO, that means rotating the engine and re-torquing down the head bolts at the least. Most likely you will be removing the engine, removing the cylinders, and repairing a stripped case.

    Depending on what you find, and how personally deal with the dreaded 'might-as-wells', that can be an easy job, or a never ending saga of time and money. Personally, I love working on bikes and would do the minimum to repair it properly, meaning repair it, NOT modify it with unnecessary and expensive engine parts.
    You could find tight head bolts, (remove the cylinders and replace the base gasket).
    or
    You could find loose bolts and good threads, (remove the cylinders and replace the base gasket)
    or
    You could find stripped head bolts, (remove the cylinders, repair the threads, and replace the base gasket).
    or
    You could find a trashed engine, (split the case and repair, or buy another one).
    None of those possibilities need a stroker kit, transmission, chroming, turbo, or black turn signals.

    Good luck buddy, if you choose to take this project on there are plenty of sources for good information, but I won't be typing a step-by-step copy of the manual I already gave you. Let us know what you choose
    Last edited by Cooter; 01-24-2021 at 07:32 PM.

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    Damn, well said Boss.

    Fielding - there are a lot of tremendously helpful people on this forum, but there is a limit to our collective patience. A huge part of learning how to fix your bike (or most things in life for that matter) is taking the time to study and let the knowledge sink in. We all were in your newb shoes at some time in the past, and your enthusiasm is to be cheered. But you gotta know your limits.

    RTFM as Cooter so eloquently stated. There are probably already a dozen threads posted for each of the questions you posed, so spend the time reading. This forum is not a shortcut Google for all the questions that pop into your head.

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    The help is much appreciated, and I shall certainly RTFM. Took the spark plugs out and the spark plug wire that is connected to the problem cylinder seems to be shot. I forgot to take a picture of it but both ends were rusty. They were also two different spark plugs and, haha, before I ask I shall read up on why one had washers and the other didnít. I saw in a video description how the space needs to be measured but Iíll have to read up on that. I tested both spark plugs with the good wire and both gave a spark but wonít know if thatís the issue I suppose until I get the new wires and plugs. They were certainly covered in black gunk and carbon, which I did read about and they both appear to be carbon-fouled and/or oil-fouled which makes sense considering the air filter was filthy and thereís a big oil leak: https://share.icloud.com/photos/0zEk...HzxMvogijKy7BA
    hopefully the video uploads. Looking like Iím going to start taking her apart this week and see just how bad it is rather than try to patch the leak and ride...after I RTFM of course. Again thanks for your help I know Iím a bit much haha but Iím just excited and ready to learn and start this new found passion, I shall remember to slow down and take it step by step and cross all my Ts and dot all my Is before getting carried away. Cheers,
    -Fielding

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    984's are for pansies and communists. Go 1170 or go home.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cooter View Post
    Why would you even consider buying fancy black parts for a bike that doesn't even RUN??:
    Why dont you shut the hell up.



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